Stage Worklight

[tech2000]

At my school we have "worklight" electrical ports on three of our four electrics and the only one that works constantly is the third electric. (Well the first electric works constantly also but we can't seem to turn it off)
The second electric, we plug in the worklights and they are fine for several minutes and then they all shut off.

My question is, what is a cheap way to have worklights cover the stage (preferably from the electrics) without using regular dimmer ports?
Our music teachers go up to the light booth and turn on the face/down lights for class use. (There are three periods of orchestra in there every day.)

[waynehoskins]

Scoops are great for that; that's what we used in college. What we did is cable them directly off of the electric and plug them into the wall. We conveniently had some locally-switched outlets at the SR ASM position, so worklight was as simple as turning the three or so switches on.

Even more elegant would be dedicated dimmers or relay modules tied to Unison panels, but we weren't elegant.

[wfor]

Originally Posted by waynehoskins

Scoops are great for that; that's what we used in college. What we did is cable them directly off of the electric and plug them into the wall. We conveniently had some locally-switched outlets at the SR ASM position, so worklight was as simple as turning the three or so switches on.

Even more elegant would be dedicated dimmers or relay modules tied to Unison panels, but we weren't elegant.

Especially if you're electrics are dead hung, it would be easy to drop a cable from some scoops and wire up a switch box.

If you don't have scoops, I've seen cable strung horizontally across the support cables, with cheap florescent tube sockets attached. They're cheap at lowe's or home depot or somewhere. If you're lucky enough to have a fly system, you could dedicate a batten to this, and drop your cable from the grid.

[gafftaper]

As was said, cheap shop florescent fixtures are a great option and available at just about any hardware store. Make sure they have some sort of secure cage to contain the tube. You don't want one coming loose and falling to the deck.

There are also some great things you can do for very little money with a little creativity and a couple of cheap 500 watt halogen work lights like the one pictured below. Be sure to take a good look at the floor model in the store. If you get the right one you can remove the fixture from the base easily and not have to do any wiring.

Let me stress the importance of having a qualified person who knows what they are doing help you rig the lights to the batten (this is true of hanging fluorescent tube fixtures as well). These lights are not designed to be hung from battens. If not properly hung they could fall and be extremely dangerous. You need to attach safety cables to the fixtures... something they are not designed for... again it can be done easily but have someone who knows what they are doing help you. They also get very hot so you need to leave at least two feet clearance between the fixture and anything that is potentially flammable. Don't just get some wire or gafftape and hang the fixture. Be safe.



Another great option is just to have a set of these that you get out when you need to work. You can get one for about $40.

[wfor]

Another good idea. It may be a bit cumbersome for everyday class use though.

The second electric, we plug in the worklights and they are fine for several minutes and then they all shut off.

It seems you have some sort of worklights.

Is it just control that's the issue?

If you have an express/expression, you could do some fancy work with that macro port deal it has. If you have unison or a similar architectural system, I would make a preset with only work and house lights, and don't even have one with stage lights.

The easiest solution may just to plug in your worklights in to dims, if you can spare the few extra circuits.

Whatever you use, make sure it is pointing straight down. As a musician, I appreciate the need for good downlighting to see music, I'm sure your orchestra will be pleased they don't have to spend class staring into hot stage lights.

[MNicolai]

Just about anything on the following link should work.

Open Faced Units

Our new facility bought 6 Mini Floods (but I can't figure out who makes them), and they operate on a standard T3 halogen lamp you could pick up at any hardware store. The front end price is a little bit more, but they take up a very small amount of room on the electrics are plenty bright for work lights. I liked them so much I made them dual purpose and sneaked them into some cues for our last show.

Best yet, they'd be used as intended. Your fire marshal would go crazy if he walked in and saw fluorescent fixtures hanging on a batten with cords dropping to the floor and run to an outlet in the wings.

Beyond purchasing fixtures to use them as intended, I would strongly advise you to consult an electrician. Wiring an edison connector to a fluorescent fixture does not fall into the category of use as intended.

[wfor]

Best yet, they'd be used as intended. Your fire marshal would go crazy if he walked in and saw fluorescent fixtures hanging on a batten with cords dropping to the floor and run to an outlet in the wings.

Certianly, they should be installed properly.

The way I've seen them done is being stage pinned into the "WL" socket of an ETC Electric. They are operated by a standard switch on stage. I suppose it breaks out from the socapex bundle at the grid.

[derekleffew]

Originally Posted by tech2000

At my school we have "worklight" electrical ports on three of our four electrics and the only one that works constantly is the third electric. (Well the first electric works constantly also but we can't seem to turn it off)
The second electric, we plug in the worklights and they are fine for several minutes and then they all shut off. ...

How are these circuits currently controlled? Direct 120V switches or relays in a rack somewhere? Is any sort of architectural control system involved?

[MNicolai]

If it's a standard switch, then I'd venture to say that it didn't get routed through a Unison processor, but rather just got divided from the entire system and made into a regular circuit.

If the tail on it is only a few feet, that's one thing, but if it's hanging on a batten instead of an electric then we're talking about running mile-long cords to the nearest available power source.

Meanwhile, with the issue of hazy work light circuits that almost work, but not really, I would suggest consulting an electrician or tech support. If you know who did the install, they would also be a good resource to tap. It could be everything is working as intended, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's working how you want it to. It could also be a problem with the electrical feed. If your work light circuits get tied into a digital processor, such as ETC Unison, then I would recommend calling ETC(or whomever is appropriate) before you call an electrician. The important thing to note is that there are three likely candidates for your problems. User-error, Programming-error, or Electrical fault. If you call an electrician and it's a programming issue, then you'll have spent money for an electrician to scratch his head for a while and tell you he has no answer. If you call the manufacturer of the system, then they would probably be able to determine pretty quickly where the problem lies.

[tech2000]

First of all, thanks everyone for the helpful advice!
The ports on the electrics are stage pin and runs through our dimmer system so we can turn it on and off with our ETC Express, but also runs directly to a set of switches SR. There are 4 ports on each electric.
Oh, yeah, we have a fly system (50-60') The highest in our school district!