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[Dustincoc]

I hear a show in New York is going to use one of these. LOL

[gafftapegreenia]

So what's the big deal? It's a Fresnel, they still do what they do. I'm sure alot of shows in New York still use those, its a big city, and a big state.

Now, are you referring to a specific broadway production or something? The designer of Curtains used a few old lights for a period look on some set pieces.

[Dustincoc]

It's a 2 foot diameter 5k Fresnel to put it more into scale.

Actually, There are none of these in the city, they threw them out years ago. One of the Ballets lighting designers was looking for one and one of the local theatres here that doesn't throw anything out had one that's 2' in diameter and another thats about 18" across. They don't even know where they originally came from. They only time they've used them in about 20 years was as a sun behind a drop.

All I know is that it's a ballet. I saw Curtains last spring and didn't notice any old lights but I was too busy watching all the shakespeares and movers too notice much else. (The newest lights we have are a bunch of beat up old 360Q's)

[gafftapegreenia]

I guess I just find that hard to believe. I know they still make 24" Fresnels, and to say there aren't any in an entire city...New York or not...seems unlikely. Ballet/Opera designers love big fat Fresnels, so that's not too surprising, but not a single one in NY? Just seems odd.

[Dustincoc]

I don't know. I heard that they couldn't find any in NY because they we so old. It is a TV light, not a theatre light and not many dimmers can handle a 5k light.

[derekleffew]

The fixture pictured is an 8" Fresnel. It's standard lamp was a 1000W incandescent (non T/H), but it also took a 1500W and 2000W. Notice the TWO asbestos covered leads. Notice the THREE pin connector. What's missing?

The oval beam version of this fixture was extremely useful and I can't fathom why some other mfg. (Are you listening ETC?) didn't pick up on it. But I also thought the British "bi-focal shutters" were a good idea, too.

[Dustincoc]

The page actually shows a light that can be ordered in different sizes ranging from something like a 3" fresnel up to close to a 29" fresnel(chart in bottom righthand corner of page).

In the Bottom Left colomn, is gives the option to order the equipment "ungrounded" which is what is missing in the picture, the ground wire. The plug isn't your standard 10 amp stage-pin connecter, It's the 30 amp version.

This looks like the lights we've dug out and They are from Kliegl Brothers, but they may be something different(I haven't seen the lenses). I do know that at some point in their life, they were at NBC-TV.

[SerraAva]

Recognize them well. Rowan University's Pfleeger Hall uses 8" 2k's for their over head washes. They work fairly well, just power hogs. 4 of them wash an area that takes 6 750w Parnels. The reason why they still use them is they don't have the money to buy a bunch of Parnels and replace these things despite the savings. The Parnels at 750w also don't have the same punch. So yes, they are still around and being used.

[icewolf08]

I also find it hard to believe that there were no 5K fresnels to be had in NYC. I am sure that someone like PRG has them in their inventory. I got to use 5K's a lot in college, Ithaca owns a bunch. They are not rare. I would imagine every TV studio (ABC, NBC, CBS) in NYC has a few.

[derekleffew]

Originally Posted by Dustincoc

...The plug isn't your standard 10 amp stage-pin connecter, It's the 30 amp version...

The "standard" pin connector in use today is 20A, which is what I believe is pictured, attached the the leads of the (up to) 2000W 8" Fresnel. Stage pin connectors also come in 60A and 100A sizes.

In 31 years in the industry, I've seen a couple of 10A pin connectors on fixtures from the early 1960s, but never a 30A.