Altman 1kl6 parts

[Les]

Ok, so I know we generally hate these fixtures, and they have long been discontinued by Altman, but does anyone know where I can find framing shutters for these units? I was recently given 2 of the 1kl 20 degree fixtures and neither of them have any at all. I could get a few more (still no shutters) but I'm reluctant to because they don't have the lamp base or mounting plate assemblies. I thought they would be too hard to find so I left them behind. Good idea or should I get them anyway?? I powered up one of the one's I have and it was definitely better than nothing! Not a bad beam of light coming out, just very heavy and cumbersome. Still not complaining about free stuff though!

Other than that I guess you could say I hit the jackpot because I was also given 2 15/32 Strand SL Zooms, 2 50 degree SL's, 1 36 degree SL, and 1 26 degree SL. If you read some of my last posts you will see that I am not the biggest Strand SL fan, but since they were free and hardly used I am not complaining!!! He (the tech director of the theatre) didn't want them because they didn't stock the lamps, only HPL's.
I also took with me 5 Altman 6x12's without lamp cap assemblies (but fairly new units), 4 Altman 6x9's that need new bases, 11 6" 65Q Fresnel's that just need to be painted, and 3 perfectly good 16" scoops.

I'm up to my ears in stage lights!!

I think I might try and get rid of my 4 Kliegls (or century, or whatever-they-are's) now...

[DarSax]

Okay I really have no idea if this is possible, but if you can't find any, is there any chance you can fabricate any from sheet metal?

[Les]

I was thinking about that a few seconds ago. It would probably just take some stainless steel and Altman 360Q finger grips. It probably wouldn't be a hard thing for a machine shop to do. If I can't find any, I may cut some mock-ups out of cardboard and see if I can get a template for them. (With the light OFF of course!!!)
Thanks for the reply!

[Charc]

I'm swimming in 1KL6s.

I'm not sure if I have extra shutters though. A lot of mine are even missing shutters.

Even if I were to have shutters, they'd be so beat up.

The closest thing I can guarantee is that if we get a huge donation for new lights, I'll personally drive to Texas, drop off the lights, and drive away, not looking back (though you're supposed to check your rear-view mirror ever 20 or so seconds. ).

P.S.
Why don't you send some of those lights my way? Hehe?

P.P.S.
I actually spoke with the TD of another Friend's school. I saw a show there Friday night. Anyways, boy, do THEY need new lights / lighting positions.

They own 2 S4s, and like a dozen or two 360Qs (older version too), 4 or scoops, and that's about it.

HOWEVER! I saw their post on the "Philadelphia Theatre Alliance Listserv"............... (this many "..."s are necessary)

I can NOT feel bad for them.

They paid $1,000 for an LD to come in and light their show.

I looked in at their little operation. They rented in about a dozen wireless mics and receivers. I know now they must have rented in gear for the show I saw there last year: S4s, PAR64s w/ scrollers, moving head instruments, plus, an expensive LD.

Why are they paying that much money on an LD? What happened to student generated content? Okay, let's say you don't have any students into lighting... you're the TD, light it yourself! Why do you need to pay an LD that much to come in, create two color shifts (double hung) and add foliage breakups gobos coming from S.R. to S.L.? Oh, I'm sorry, he DID have downspots from the 1st electric. Oh, and an I-Cue. Hell, I have an I-Cue too. He only used his as a "followspot" though. He didn't use it in any cue besides a "followspot cue". Here is my main gripe with all his I-Cue business. He coulda have used it to help light the stage. It was only used as a "followspot". Okay, they have two followspots. With shallow angles, yes. They don't look so great, but it brings a student or two back into it. Also, he expects high school kids to find their light, and move with it everytime? The actors, and I-Cue were hardly in coordination, and it looked bad. And for all his $1,000 he missed a couple I-Cue moves. By which I mean, instead of having it move-in-black, it moved in a color shift, or other transition, where it stuck out like a sore thumb. I highly doubt it was an intentional movement.

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[derekleffew]

Again Charc, while I agree with you on principal, I would caution you to refrain from so vociferously attacking the methods or output of another theatre.

1) Financial compensation arrangements vary greatly. Perhaps the LD they paid $1000 for this show got them all that extra equipment for free last year?

2) You may be working for this theatre, LD, or someone associated with it one day (or at least apply).

A favorite producer used to say in his curtain speeches "If you like the show, tell your friends. If you don't, shut up and let them find out for themselves."
Not trying to stifle free and open discussion here, but just attempting to help you see there may have been factors of which you're not aware. Just more of my "free and unsolicited fatherly advice." Do with it what you will.

[Charc]

Originally Posted by derekleffew

Again Charc, while I agree with you on principal, I would caution you to refrain from so vociferously attacking the methods or output of another theatre.
1) Financial compensation arrangements vary greatly. Perhaps the LD they paid $1000 for this show got them all that extra equipment for free last year?
2) You may be working for this theatre, LD, or someone associated with it one day (or at least apply).
A favorite producer used to say in his curtain speeches "If you like the show, tell your friends. If you don't, shut up and let them find out for themselves."
Not trying to stifle free and open discussion here, but just attempting to help you see there may have been factors of which you're not aware. Just more of my "free and unsolicited fatherly advice." Do with it what you will.

Haha, again, Derek comes in with wisdom.

I guess my (emotional) rant was on what I see as a misappropriation of funds. Given the wording of the job opportunity, and my brief chat with the TD, my understanding is they get a new LD every-year, it's just whomever answers the ad. The LD takes a look at their facilities, their gear, watches a few rehearsals, and makes a (What do you call these things?) Rent List.

I get your point about making friends and not enemies. I know I won't be working for the theatre (as it's another school), probably not the TD (as he is an educator), but perhaps the LD. I wasn't really personally attacking anyone. Merely calling into question the TD's approach to teaching his students and running his facility.

[derekleffew]

Originally Posted by charcoaldabs

...and makes a (What do you call these things?) Rent List. ...

I believe the term that eludes you is "Shop Order." At least that what it says in my brand new (to me) copy of A Practical Guide to Stage Lighting, by Steven Louis Shelley. Focal Press, 1999.

[ship]

I would contact Altman directly for if they have any replacement shutters that would be of the same type just different model type such as the 6-30 style.

If they don't, in my observation it's fairly rare that replacement shutters for such fixtures are ever really needed. Can they be cleaned up if not re-surfaced? Do a search on the website for resurfacing shutters. Otherwise if trashed and not available, your local welding shop should sufficiently be able to reproduce a stainless steel version of these shutters without a problem given a plasma or water cutter. Won't be cheap but should last for years.

Good luck but my theory is the shutters most likely on the fixture can be saved to the extent you will use them in the future given the extent of other fixtures available.

[Les]

Thanks Ship! My problem is that my lights came without any shutters installed, so I'll be starting from scratch. But I'll call Altman and see what they suggest. I'm sure there is a light out there that uses a similar shutter blade.
On another note, I was surprised to see the condition of the shutters in the 360Q's I was just given. These must have been some seriously misused instruments. Because while 3 shutters may look fine and repairable, the adjacent shutter has a hole burned right through the middle of it! More than one light is like this! Someone needs to learn how to properly focus/shutter/bench ellipsoidals! My concern is that now they have new Source Fours to destroy :[

On another note, I just opened up one of my zooms to find that the reflector is cracked in half. Still looks usable, with no huge gap, but sucks none the less. Another fixture has a hairline crack down one side.

Oh well, at least it was free. I won't let that rain on my parade.

[kovacika]

i know of at least two rental houses that make there own shutters for lights in a small metal shop. i cant imagine it would be all that hard given the proper equipment. Whether you have access to the equipment or the money to pay someone who does may be where you run into issues.