Apollo's new color mixing scroller!

[gafftaper]

Thanks for clarifying that guys I was a little unsure about the whole output issue and the Seachanger data I had was limited on exactly what they meant.

[derekleffew]

Originally Posted by icewolf08

But theoretically in a clear frame in the scroller you should loose virtually no output.

Not true, icewolf08. Also have to take into account the heat shield, and in the case of CXi and MXR, two pieces of clear media. Hopefully lose less than the 32% as with the SeaChanger, I would hope in the area of 5-10% (depending on how scratched/dusty/haze-laden the leaders become).

Pie4Weebl, one of things I disliked about the M-Faders were the holes that seem to be a magnet for any/all particulates in the air. Well, that and three times the maintenance of a single gelstring scroller. But a great concept.

[icewolf08]

Originally Posted by derekleffew

Not true, icewolf08. Also have to take into account the heat shield, and in the case of CXi and MXR, two pieces of clear media. Hopefully lose less than the 32% as with the SeaChanger, I would hope in the area of 5-10% (depending on how scratched/dusty/haze-laden the leaders become).

Hence why I said "virtually." I suppose this is the one advantage to the ETC Revolution scroller where the leaders are only a 1" strip of clear gel as opposed to an entire frame... But, assuming you have clean gel (hey charc will you go wash this gel for me... while you are in the closet... the one we locked you in...) you hopefully don't lose 5,500 lumens like the SeaChanger (according to Gaff's specs).

[derekleffew]

Originally Posted by icewolf08

...I suppose this is the one advantage to the ETC Revolution scroller where the leaders are only a 1" strip of clear gel as opposed to an entire frame...

Now, the Revolution has more than one advantage.

But how does one get white, (OW, NC, N/C, CLR), without a frame of R00 (kelite, why can't I find the Apollo equivalent?) in the Revolution's scroller?

[icewolf08]

Originally Posted by derekleffew

Now, the Revolution has more than one advantage.
But how does one get white, (OW, NC, N/C, CLR), without a frame of R00 (kelite, why can't I find the Apollo equivalent?) in the Revolution's scroller?

I said the advantage to the Rev's scroller. At least the original scroller, I haven't used the new Rev's with the Wybron scrollers. I personally don't mind using Revs. They have quirks as many MLs do, but they do what they are designed to do very well.

How you you get white? I assume you mean in the Revs. Well the scroller rolls out the leader as a frame on either end of the gel string. So frame 0 (DMX value of 000) is CLR by default, no matter what your rev gel sting is. Also the last frame, DMX value 255, is CLR by default as it is leader also. If you want I can take a picture when we take the Revs out of the air this evening. Steve Terry can probably back me up on this one as well.

[derekleffew]

Nope, still confused, You said originally: "...I suppose this is the one advantage to the ETC Revolution scroller where the leaders are only a 1" strip of clear gel as opposed to an entire frame." Now you're saying: "Well the scroller rolls out the leader as a frame on either end of the gel string." I'm not being argumentative, just dense. I don't need a picture, I've worked with lots of scrollers, so unless the Rev's orig. scroller is dramatically different, I'll just ignore the part about the leader being only 1" and get over it.

But since you brought up STEVETERRY, do you think it's possible we'll see a Revolution with a Wybron CXI Inside™ in the near future?

[icewolf08]

I was going to do ASCII art, but CB won't keep all the spaces... so here are some pictures.

The leaders, made from clear gel serve as clear frames at both ends of the gel string. Here are cutouts from the Revolution Manual. I hope they help:



So it lis a little bit of a PITA to change strings due to the "weave and pin" connection, but it works.

[derekleffew]

Thank you Alex, I understand completely now. I guess I DID need a picture. Unlike any other scroller I have ever seen. I think Morpheus ColorFaders use a "tapered edge", but nothing like that. I'm almost positive this has changed with the SourceFour™ Revolution Wybron Inside™.

[STEVETERRY]

Originally Posted by derekleffew

Nope, still confused, You said originally: "...I suppose this is the one advantage to the ETC Revolution scroller where the leaders are only a 1" strip of clear gel as opposed to an entire frame." Now you're saying: "Well the scroller rolls out the leader as a frame on either end of the gel string." I'm not being argumentative, just dense. I don't need a picture, I've worked with lots of scrollers, so unless the Rev's orig. scroller is dramatically different, I'll just ignore the part about the leader being only 1" and get over it.
But since you brought up STEVETERRY, do you think it's possible we'll see a Revolution with a Wybron CXI Inside™ in the near future?

Sadly, no. When we made the change to the Wybron scoller, we spent hundreds of hours on a CXI design. We really worked at it, along with Wybron. Bottom line: there were just too many compromises to accept having to do with the additional depth of the unit and the increased drive torque and power consumption. Had we done it, you would have hated it--so we reluctantly abandoned it.

ST

[icewolf08]

Originally Posted by STEVETERRY

Sadly, no. When we made the change to the Wybron scoller, we spent hundreds of hours on a CXI design. We really worked at it, along with Wybron. Bottom line: there were just too many compromises to accept having to do with the additional depth of the unit and the increased drive torque and power consumption. Had we done it, you would have hated it--so we reluctantly abandoned it.
ST

What about a CMY module? That seems more feasible, though possibly overkill given that we already have a scroller.