Control/Dimming - Your opinion on low end light consoles one last time

[gafftaper]

Hey crew, I'm tired of the constant "help me pick a light board" threads. So I thought I would start a collaborative article on the topic. That way we can point people to the collaborative article then discuss details here once they have educated themselves a bit. It would also be fairly easy to just add new things to a collaborative article as time goes buy. I want to break this article up into Four categories: Computer based, Sub $3,000, $3,000-$10,000, and $10,000+.

What I've learned over the years is that there are WIDE opinions on low end consoles. In the past threads like this have quickly turned into an "I hate ____ " bashing session. So in this thread NO DEBATE please! Also no discussions or horror tales. I just want some organized data please. Try not to suggest old consoles that are no longer in production. Yes there are a variety of purposes to consoles in this price range, just pick whatever comes to mind. Thanks!

Questions:

1) My favorite sub $3,000 consoles are____ . (No more than two please, if you only have one, just write one)

2) I would advise people to not buy the following sub $3,000 console_____. (Only one please).

[mc2880]

This is a great idea to have as a sticky, cleared out and updated every few months as consoles change.


Sub $3,000 Console (Not Computer Based)

ETC Smartfade 24/96
-great little console with alot of features
-SmartSoft will be released soon* (hopefully)
LEVITON MC7xxx Series
-Very basic board, great for very simple uses (ie drama room practices)
-Very simple to maintain/fix. Parts are cheap and plenty

Sub $3,000 Computer Based Software

ET Marquee PC
-Very powerfull, allows for full tracking backup and remote stations
-Upgradable from basic 128ch version
-Compatable with ARTnet, Pathport, (and i believe Sandbox?)


$3,000 to $10,000

ET Marquee Console/ILC
-Entry level console in this price range while still being able to compete with larger consoles
-Great for schools and small productions
ETC Ion
-The new star of this price range, full featured console
-Many ways to configure the wing panels for specific needs

$10,000+

I am not as well versed in this catagory, but what comes to mind is the GrandMA, Whole Hog 3, Eos. The only one I may be able to add to the list is the E.GO Console running Prego. I'm a fan of the older AVAB Safari consoles, and the E.GO is written by the same people. It was at LDI last year, and I believe it will be there again this year.

[gafftaper]

Thanks mc2880 nice work from one of our new members (and welcome to the family). I think a collaborative article is a better bet since it can be one concise article. If we sticky it then it will just be a thread that goes on forever.

Others that follow please just stick to low end consoles for now. You'll have a chance to talk about other consoles later.

[soundlight]

sub $3000
Good: ETC Smartfade, NSI MC75xx series (yeah, I'm sounding like broken record here, but it's true).
Bad: can't think of any, but if it has both male and female DMX "outputs" and comes from a company with a Chinese-sounding name and requires international shipping and the manual doesn't sound at all like proper english when you read it out loud, it's probably not a good buy.

$3000 to $10000
Good: ETC ION w/appropriate wing panels
Bad: Lehigh Rendition

[mbandgeek]

I like the concept of a collaborative article, but some people might questions about application specific consoles, which may not be covered under budget structured article such as this.
(and yes i am in a cranky mood)

[waynehoskins]

I like the idea. Unfortunately now that the Expression line is discontinued, I don't really have much experience on anything "current" any more.

But I might be able to contribute something anyway, I think:

Sub-3K
Leprecon 600 series - Versatile in that it is a two-preset board with computer softpatch. I believe it has a cue stack too, in the same manner as the 1500/1600 line. It's a useful board, but the memory interface sucks (the 1500 and 1600 suck less, but still suck). I've used them on shows, and while they are a great bang for the buck and will let you light a show well, the lack of a numeric keypad for memory functions really is no fun. Would be better as well if it (the 600 at least, and possibly the 1500/1600) had a disk drive for transfer and backup.

Smartfade - I'll admit that my total experience with the board is at the ETC booth at USITT '05, but it didn't impress me. It struck me as having too much DJ stuff and not enough theatre stuff. Maybe I need to drive one again to properly review it, but at this point it's on my Avoid list.

In general (this is an Express/ion criticism mainly, even though they're dead now, but the principle is still valid) sometimes there are times you really need a board that can be driven without the VGA monitor. That's one thing I wish the Express line had a way around. There are few memory consoles now that can be usefully run without the monitor (like for the patch screen); this may be a consideration in scoping out a new board.

Another very useful feature is the remote video terminal of yesteryear, so the designer or stage manager can look at the same thing the board op is looking at on the screen. Many cueing sessions I've been part of, the LD usually ends up asking the board op what levels things are at; a remote display should save this time and chatter.

I guess today's Console Bashing Day for me.

[gafftaper]

Originally Posted by mbandgeek

I like the concept of a collaborative article, but some people might questions about application specific consoles, which may not be covered under budget structured article such as this.
(and yes i am in a cranky mood)

Not a problem. We direct the person to read the collaborative article then come back to this forum once they've been educated a bit to ask specific questions. This way we don't have to keep explaining the same basics over and over.

[LightStud]

How low does one wish to stoop? How many channels? Support for MLs? Must it be from a company that has a proven track record in the stage lighting industry for at least ten years? Established dealer network? How concerned are we about service and support? An easily-located replacement/loaner console? Is 5-pin DMX512 out a requirement?

[derekleffew]

...etc.

[gafftaper]

Originally Posted by LightStud

How low does one wish to stoop? How many channels? Support for MLs? Must it be from a company that has a proven track record in the stage lighting industry for at least ten years? Established dealer network? How concerned are we about service and support? An easily-located replacement/loaner console? Is 5-pin DMX512 out a requirement?

Please, you are making this too hard. Those are excellent things to point out in the broader context of the choosing a console article. But for now I am just trying to get some sort of data that might make a couple of consoles stand out in the sub $3k price range as more popular. Once the person has read the article they can come back to this forum and say "yes but I was really looking for something with these capabilities" and then we can make further suggestions.

Please just answer the two questions:

1) My favorite sub $3,000 consoles are____ . (No more than two please, if you only have one, just write one)

2) I would advise people to not buy the following sub $3,000 console_____. (Only one please).