Brand-Name products on Stage?

[erichart]

I am working on an article about using trademarks and brand names on stage. For instance, if the script calls for "beer", do you make a fake label, or do you use a can of Coors? Even more problematic, what do you do if the script calls for a specific brand-name product?

What I am interested in is any anecdotes you may have dealing with this. Have you ever contacted a company for permission to use their products on stage? What was the result of that? Have there ever been any actual consequences, legal or otherwise, from using brand-name products on stage? Where do you get your information and advice about what you are or aren't allowed to do?

Thanks!
Eric Hart
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[willbb123]

Another local theater, went to a brewery and not only got there permission to use there cans on stage, But they also got them to can water. They still have cases of cans that look like beer, but they are full of water.

[derekleffew]

I believe the TV/film industry calls this "product placement," and is a major part of an advertiser's budget.

I suspect a theatre's audience exposure is so small as it not to be an issue. Sometimes, intentionally circumventing a brand name product only leads to further distraction.

The best example I can think of is when KitchenAid would not grant "promotional consideration" to Alton Brown of the TV show Good Eats. He still used their stand mixer, but disguised it, covering all the nameplates.

Cookin' at Café D: What Color is your KitchenAid?

from Blogs - CHOW

For the most part, the Food Network is refreshingly free of product placement. Alton Brown eschews it on Good Eats, I can’t remember Paula Deen ever brand-name-droppng but maybe I just can’t decipher her accent, and Rachael Ray famously goes to elaborate lengths to cover up cans, boxes, and bars with her own homemade labels.
Back in the day, we used to giggle over television show sightings of the label-free pop cans because they were so obviously Diet Coke or Pepsi. It became something to point out and laugh at in the “How stupid do they think we are? That’s obviously 7-Up—look at the bubbles on the side!” kind of way. But now, so many television shows cram in brand name after brand name to such a degree that advertisers might need to rethink their strategy. Soon enough the public will become desensitized to such placement, and where would that leave them?

[dvsDave]

Funny side note: Alton Brown's flame jobbed kitchenaid was so popular that there is a company now that makes flame decals for your kitchenaid mixer.

[ship]

Still see gaff tape brand name cover plates at times on TV as has been done over the years.

Chief question for you is that of focus given a small audience. Is this something you want to draw attention to by way of specific brand or alternate if even comical brand or something that might distract from the focus of the scene?

Certainly a can of beer could if noticed be considered important as a design statement - what would that character be drinking anyway? Is he or her Schlitz, Old Style, Guiness or something else? But perhaps that question is best not asked in drawing attention.

Love the idea of water replacing the beer in the can, that's totally cool and something most manufacturers would possibly go for even if their name on the bottle ain't there or perhaps it is and should be.

Your own label on a beer might just as much draw attention as a normal brand, can't spray paint and silk screen your own lable either so much. Can's gotta open also and 7UP don't look like beer in can label.

Still though, if the beer company route didn't go so well as an excellent idea I might try spray painting the cans and stenciling my own labels. Might attempt such a thing at least dependant on the show. If nothing else, I might de-gloss the can at least so it don't draw much focus.

[Van]

Probably the most problematic show is Lone Star it is a one act usually partnered with it's sister show Laundry and Burbon. Lone Star takes place behind a dive bar and as the titlte suggests the characters continually drink Lone Star beer throughout the show. I didn't know it at the time but in college, when we did the show, we drove down over the border and picked up a couple of cases. We didn't know, at the time that we were technically "bootlegging" as Oklahoma is a 3.2 beer state.
I don't know that I've ever heard of a theatre selling product placement space. When we did The Seafarer ths year we did get Guiness to sponsor the show. they donated a lot of beer and provided all the drinks for opening night. I don't know that I would be totally in favor of companies selling product placement in the theatre. To me there is nothing worse than all those movies that make such a big deal about getting a close up on the Coke bottle, or the Apple logo on the spies laptop. Everybody knows, spies use Panasonic Toughbooks.


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[Mather2010]

I have used brand name things on stage, I just went to the actual place where they sell the stuff and I just asked if they would be ok with letting me use whatever item it was whenever.

[propmonkey]

when i worked on Guys On Ice we called up leinenkugel and they sent us a few cases of cans with their labels but were filled with soda water. they said that get calls all the time when the show is done.

i watched superbad with the commentary and they said they couldnt get any alcohol company to allow they use of their products because there was underage drinking.

[erichart]

Originally Posted by Van

I don't know that I've ever heard of a theatre selling product placement space.

It's happening on Broadway, and it may be happening more in the future with larger companies:
On Broadway, Ads Now Get to Play Cameo Roles
As the article points out, though, even the largest of theatres are still so much smaller than the smaller television stations and film distributors.

[wfor]

What makes being on stage so different from just being out in public? What is it about being in "performance mode" and normal life so different?

Is there really a breech of copyrights here? But then again, what makes anthing different about being on TV or in a movie?

I suppose it could be argued that you are presenting the product to an audience, and especially if it is a hand prop or referred to in the dialog, there could be bias presented.

I see gaff over "apples" on computers all the time on television, and one Mythbusters, it seems like every product they ever use is "mythbusters brand". But I assumed that was because 1. they had advertisers, and showing other products on the screen may cause issues, and 2. their use of a product may show or somehow portray a fault in the product (like coke being better at cleaning chrome than "commercial cleaner")

But there arn't commercial breaks in stage shows (yet...(interesting, erichart)). I suppose there may be a difference in theatres that are for- and not-for profit.

I've always thought it was weird when I see "Beer" or something like that on stage. Its like you're labeling the obvious. If you did have to not use a real brand name, I'd say at least make up a brand.

The script for Almost, Maine calls specifically for "Naddy Light", so our empty bottles, and coke cans wrapped in printed labels got plenty of teacher and parent questions post-show at our high school. Yea, we really gave 17 year olds the real deal.