Yamaha LS9 vs 01v96

[jkowtko]

Yeah I know -- I just wanted to avoid mixing onboard and external I/O for small jobs. I think if I got the LS9-16 I would probably buy (in addition to ADAT cards) a MY8/AD24 card to up the onboard input channels to 24 ... that plus the 8 outs and USB record could hold me over very well.

However on the flip side, it might also be nice to run exclusively ADAT so, as in our theater where it may not be 100% secure, you can unplug the board in a sec and store it somewhere safe in between shows. But 16 ADAT input channels is cutting it a bit close on capacity ... would be great if you could set up all 32 this way (and all 64 for the LS9-32).

[SHARYNF]

the o1v96 has 8 built in adat channels, and with the additional 16 from the option card you can have 24 adat input channels if you got 3 8 channel external preamps
Sharyn

[Andy_Leviss]

Originally Posted by SHARYNF

the o1v96 has 8 built in adat channels, and with the additional 16 from the option card you can have 24 adat input channels if you got 3 8 channel external preamps
Sharyn

Half that channel count if you want to run at 96k, since you need to go double-channel on the ADAT link (which I highly recommend, since it sounds a whole lot better at 96!). Some have even suggested (and I wouldn't necessarily argue) that it sounds like an entirely different console switching from 44.1/48 to 96.

--A

[SHARYNF]

I agree with you but I think John was looking at the behringer ADA8000 for inexpensive preamps, so it would be possible to get three of the ADA's and as he was thinking just plug in the adat connections allowing for the easy removal of the 01v96 for security reasons
Sharyn

[jkowtko]

Yes, for the 01v96 I was looking at getting three of the Behringer ADA8000s to run excluvely on ADAT.

My comments on the limited ADAT were aimed at the LS9-16 ... which appears to have less I/O capacity than the 01v96.

Andy, can you actually hear the audible difference between 48k and 96k in a live theater environment? I thought the differences were only distinguishable in a studio/recording environment.

Of course, I just took a look at the new DM1000v2 ... it solves the onboard I/O and expansion issue with 16+4 inputs, 12 outputs, and two expansion card slots. Plus the ability to add a meter bridge ... nice package. Unfortunately it still has the recall-safe limitations of the 01v96 ...

[Andy_Leviss]

I feel that you can hear the difference, especially with effects and EQ, but I haven't done a blind test, so YMMV.

I haven't researched prices, but I'd wonder the price between two 01v96s vs one DM1000. If they're comparable, I'd cascade two 01Vs before I'd use a DM1000 in most (but not all) cases, since it gives you more flexibility, more faders, and gets around some of the recall-safe limitations. Just a crazy thought :-)

[jkowtko]

Just a quick followup here, on the issue of DCA capabilities --

It looks like the 01v96 has DCA capability (fader group masters) whereas the LS9 does not.

After watching a professional musical run entirely on the DCA fader bank with 100+ snapshots, I'm pretty impressed with the benefit that DCAs provide. I also observed virtually no attention paid to level meters -- another LS9 advantage that must not be as important as I thought. The programming for this show appeared to be so canned and repeatable that the primary issues for FOH to deal with were line-by-line (DCA) fading, minute (DCA) fader level adjustments, and snapshot advancement.

So I'm increasingly happier with my selection of the 01v96.

[thenelsontwins]

I purchased a 02r96 for a school I was working at and regretted it every day. Although not quite the same as the 01v, we were using 56 channels of desk and it got complicated quite quickly as the interface is quite ... deep. Once you get it, you get it, but the interface on the LS9 is far more clear and the whole desk sounds better as well.

Had the LS9 been on the market when I purchased the 02r, I would have gladly dropped the extra money on the console.

Yes the 01v will work, but the better desk is, without a doubt, the LS9.

[Chris15]

It seems that one of the key differences between the LS9 and the 01V has been neglected. The 01V does 96k the LS9 (and the M7CL) will only do 48k.

As to price, my retail price list for Oz lists the 01V96V2 at $4499, the DM1000V2 at $8500, the 02R96V2 at $16000 and the LS9-16 at $8000.

[TimmyP1955]

LS9 has recallable headamps, the 01V96 does not.

LS9 indeed lacks DCAs, but has Fader Linking, which gets you most of the way there many times.

The Roland looks very interesting, especially if you want to do multitrack recordings (the mLan card does not work in the LS9 - I've not been able to gat a straight answer as to why).