Can you say LED worklight?

ship · Jun 25, 2014

Hopzing said:
Just a suggestion. Take a look at the Snap On tools led work light. They are available at Costco.

If reply to my post... but I didn't make it and in buying it, it wouldn't fit any of the three design reasons I had for making it. Noted the other supplier though.

If for work light for a stage wash or even work table, post away a link please, though CRI is very important for work lights given stage set painting and at or well above 85+ CRI would be a goal. LED's are not accurate for CRI scale but often figures can be done in that expected scale for a LED output. Not just about the light, but also about the painting of the set in work lights that will be the same under stage lighting conditions.

Lsly · Jun 25, 2014

let there be light said:
How did you use the 60W version? I am specing work lights for a high school auditorium and as the FLx is delayed, these seem ideal. The height over the stage would be about 17', and I was asking for two. Also 2 in the cove for the apron, which is a greater distance, about 30', and one each side of the stage.

The 60w version is very nice. If you are replacing an exsisting incandescent FL unit this may work for you. At 17' its nice and bright. I will say the quality of light is a bit flat. Color temp is great compared to a 500w unit. You might want to double the units in the FOH. I'll try to get some Picts.

Lsly · Sep 16, 2014

DELO72 said:
I don't know what to say folks. I'm as embarrassed and humiliated as a Product Manager could be over the delays on the FLx... (Needless to say it missed a target spec. item in the UL testing, so needs a tweak still before release.) Here's my current frame of mind regarding our timing on it and inability to meet any of the dates I've previously provided. -- http://media2.giphy.com/media/vwu9UTwIwFr7G/giphy.gif

Please give me details on the Behringer X32, it might help ease the pain (combined with a bottle of scotch...or two). *sigh*

If I had to guess, I would put the FLx out at least another 2 months at this time. Pigtails will be 36" this time around though, so we are making improvements as we go.
I don't know what to say, folks. I'm embarrassed beyond words. Every date I have given was what I believed and was told would be true-- only to be turned into a liar by things outside my control. We'll keep fighting the good fight. It's a great product. I just need it in production and available.

Sincerely,

Mark

Any word on the 90W? Fingures crossed!

Lorin Sly

DELO72 · Sep 17, 2014

Lsly said:
Any word on the 90W? Fingures crossed!

Lorin Sly

For internal reasons too crazy to explain, no. I have a prototype of a new design being tested now. ETA is probably months away still though.

let there be light · Sep 17, 2014

I installed 6 of these fixtures today (the lower wattage version) I'm a smallish 350 seat theatre. 4 were mounted on a pipe that sits just DS of the apron and 2 were mounted overhead on a pipe mid stage. I am very pleased with the quality of light. I have speced them for another larger theatre as well, with slightly higher trims. I think that based on what I saw today they will be fine. I did order more than I would have done with the brighter fixture.

Jay Ashworth · Sep 18, 2014

I'm curious, @DELO72:

Why a Pigtail, rather than a C13/14 inlet? I shouldn't think that it would generate heat, on the scale where a heat-resistant cord would be required, and I only say a C13 cause the cords are much easier to get than C7s, which are probably plenty, current-wise.

DELO72 · Sep 19, 2014

Jay Ashworth said:
I'm curious, @DELO72:

Why a Pigtail, rather than a C13/14 inlet? I shouldn't think that it would generate heat, on the scale where a heat-resistant cord would be required, and I only say a C13 cause the cords are much easier to get than C7s, which are probably plenty, current-wise.

I've honestly never heard of a C13/14 inlet being used on anything other than a desktop PC. They certainly aren't common for home or commercial lighting fixtures. If anything, on higher-powered items the way to go is (in my opinion) Neutrik PowerCon connectors. But these were meant to be simply replacements for the T3 Halogen fixtures already in use. So we popped on a normal grounded power cord, and left off a plug so the user can attach it to a junction box, or put an edison plug, or 2P&G stage pin connector, etc. on it. whatever meets the needs of their space..

Jay Ashworth · Sep 19, 2014

Naw; they're everywhere. Nearly every piece of rackmount equipment ever built including audio and video broadcast, not just computing.

Also all the DJ class LED lighting tends to come with them, if it is not equipped with a powercon. These are generally intended as work light (from my view), the extra reliability of a powercon seems overkill.

I would only see them needing permanently attached wiring to the extent that they were intended for outdoor service, for which they may not be listed, and if they were then I would expect merely a junction box on the fixture...

josh88 · Sep 19, 2014

I Definitely have some ADJ puck lights and a couple of Elation LED pars that have them. That being said, I rarely disconnect them from the fixture because I don't really have a need.

Jay Ashworth · Sep 19, 2014

Oh, sure, Josh. It's not about "able to disconnect", largely, though, it's about "able to provision for precisely what you need on install."

You can get C13 cords with lots of different plugs, and in 1 foot length increments to at least 15 feet, and longer to about 25, plus in different colors, and you can stock them... and they take no specialized labor to install.

Admittedly, stagepin is unlikely, but who's plugging LED worklights into those?

venuetech · Sep 19, 2014

the fixture has an IP65 rating, you are not going to get that with a C13/14. You can put it just about any where but in the pool. My problem was that the FL units came with a pigtail just 16" long, great for mounting on a J-box, but way short for pipe /clamp mounting. there is a junction box on the fixture, I would have installed longer pigtails but the existing pigtail is very well sealed into place, and i did not want to screw up the warranty. The other surprise was that the mounting hole in the yoke is sized for a 1/2" conduit fitting, not the 1/2" bolt hole as expected. not a big problem just had to dig around for some extra washers.

DELO72 · Sep 19, 2014

venuetech said:
the fixture has an IP65 rating, you are not going to get that with a C13/14. You can put it just about any where but in the pool. My problem was that the FL units came with a pigtail just 16" long, great for mounting on a J-box, but way short for pipe /clamp mounting. there is a junction box on the fixture, I would have installed longer pigtails but the existing pigtail is very well sealed into place, and i did not want to screw up the warranty. The other surprise was that the mounting hole in the yoke is sized for a 1/2" conduit fitting, not the 1/2" bolt hole as expected. not a big problem just had to dig around for some extra washers.

The 2nd Gen. Version we hope to have here in a few weeks will have the longer 36" pigtail and 95 CRI. I'm not sure what you mean by the mounting hole in the Yoke not being sized for a 1/2" bolt, it was spec'd to 13.2mm, specifically to fit the Bolt on most C-Clamps, not for conduit fitting. Are you feeling it is too big for the bolt and the washers are needed for added spacing? Feedback is always helpful!

venuetech · Sep 20, 2014

It is much larger than 13.2mm, i needed two washers to sandwich the yoke as the hole was almost big enuf for a bolt head to slip through and it was larger than a C-clamp pan post. i will snap a photo tomorrow.

very nice fixtures, may try to fit a few more into this years budget.

let there be light · Sep 21, 2014

We were replacing metal halide work lights because the ballasts kept going bad. We already had stage pin connectors on the cable, so we used stage pin for these replacements. No need to change.

venuetech · Sep 21, 2014

that is a C-clamp post passing through the yoke, with a penny nearby.
unit was dated 11/2013

Jay Ashworth · Sep 21, 2014

Yup, 13.2mm is half an inch all right.

Lsly · Sep 25, 2014

venuetech said:
that is a C-clamp post passing through the yoke, with a penny nearby.
unit was dated 11/2013

I'm curious as to why you are not mounting the c-clamp the traditional way? Or is this pict just for demonstration? All the clamps I have put on this fixture, Altman-ETC, fit very well.
LS

Lsly · Sep 25, 2014

DELO72 said:
For internal reasons too crazy to explain, no. I have a prototype of a new design being tested now. ETA is probably months away still though.

No worries! Just keep at it. We are in for 25 plus fixtures when its ready. And we are waiting, as we need the output for our throws. The 60w is a peach BTW.

LS

Jay Ashworth · Sep 25, 2014

LS: the point of his photograph is almost certainly "Look: the hole in the yoke is way too big."

BillConnerFASTC · Sep 25, 2014

Lsly said:
I'm curious as to why you are not mounting the c-clamp the traditional way? Or is this pict just for demonstration? All the clamps I have put on this fixture, Altman-ETC, fit very well.
LS

How about posting a photo of one of yours with a c-clamp mounted so we can see its different or understand why you don't see a problem? Clearly something odd here.

Can you say LED worklight?

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