Express to Palette VL

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My school is in the process of getting renovated this summer and part of that deal was a new lighting console. They supplied us with a Strand Palette VL. Having never worked with one before, or any strand consoles for that matter, what are your opinions on it?

Does it have a lot of bugs?
Does it crash often?
Are than any weird quirks that I need to be aware of?
Is it a fun board to program or will it be a nightmare overall?

The only other board I've had serious programming time on was the Express, so that's where my basis of knowledge of programming lies. Do you have any tips for me while I'm migrating consoles? How different is the syntax? What are some things that I should look out for that worked on the Express but will trip me up on the Palette VL?

Thanks for reading!
 
Make sure you keep Taine Gilliam and Matt Klasmeyer from Vincent Lighting on speed dial.

Also, keep you software up to date. It is possible that your console has been sitting in a warehouse somewhere. Make sure you have at least 10.6.1 or later.

Finally, check out strand-dev.com • Index page. Software writers and a whole community of users from around the world monitor that site almost around the clock.
 
You might want to make friends with DarthRob. ;) He works for Strand and is omniscient as well.

I've had the little brother the Classic Palette for nearly two years. The boards are different but the software is the same. I'm very happy with it. Get your software updated right away and start reading those Strand-Dev forums. They are very helpful and responsive to answer your questions and help solve problems. It's very easy to program. You'll find programing very easy. Download a copy of the offline software and start playing with it. Again, it works exactly the same as on the console. You'll even have a mouse and keyboard to work with on the console. So you can start learning today. All the basic programing functions are very similar to what you are used to on an express and you'll be recording cues and submasters in seconds. Advanced functions like patching and working with DMX fixtures are MUCH easier than on an Express.
 
Out of curiosity, how did you know Vincent was our supplier for the renovation?

Vincent is one of the biggest suppliers of strand boards on the market right now. My school recently purchased a Strand board from them, and haven't had any problems with it yet, except the monitor it initially came with overheated and fried. They did, however, send us a new one free of charge. The techs are generally pretty good as far as helping you out with issues. I have no experience using movers with any strand board, as my venue cannot afford them (public school), but for conventional fixtures, strand boards provide a decent solution.

Sidenote: They are, however, windows based boards, so if it crashes in the middle of a show to a BSOD............well it wouldn't be unexpected.
 
This is somewhat funny, my school is getting a bunch of upgrades as well, and they had me obtain the price quotes and what not for stuff. We are also upgrading from an Express (though ours is kinda broken) I initially went for the Palette VL64 due to working with it at a demo at Murphy Lighting. I liked it and the fact that it had a full version of XP on it(not always a good thing though), but was serverley warned by many people that Strand is not a company that should be worked with for consoles any more and that they are a dying bread. (no one take offense to that, its just what I was told).

Right now we are deciding between an ETC Ion or Element I really like the new ETC consoles and was able to play with them at InfoComm this year. The ETC boards are windows XP too but only based on it, the software is built in. (On the Strand the Pallette OS runs on XP)...the only time you even see a windows thing is if installing something(it only uses windows installer)

IIRC the Strand has like a theme setting, and you should be able to change it. There was one that will remind you of the Express and make you feel more at home. Though personally I'd get used to the non express looking ones, to be able to adjust to newer consoles in the future.
 
I think I can voice some opinion on this. My first board I ever programmed on was a Strand 300 (With a bunch of channel faders and submasters) So that is what I got used to.

The I went to college... where they used ETC express boards that didn't have any channel faders what so ever.. I was thouroughly confused, but I very quickly got used to typing in commands and such.

This is relevant because the new strand boards are very much a similar syntax to ETC boards. Lately I did a show using Gafftapers light board, a smaller pallette board and it was awesome. For someone who had never programmed moving lights or LEDS I was able to patch, program and designthe show in two days. With only one phone call to Strand... this was due to a backwards combatibility issue as I programmed from home on a version newer then what the board was running... Anyways, after that show I will defend the new strand boards as they are solid, reliable and really fun!

My favorite part is the built in effect generator in which you just select the channels you want in the effect (by the click and drag of the mouse) and hit a button and select an effect! No more need to make those gigantic step effects!

Go with a strand board, but get one that has th most submasters as you will find yourslef using those more then ever, and btw you really do not need ANY channel faders.
 
They are, however, windows based boards, so if it crashes in the middle of a show to a BSOD............well it wouldn't be unexpected.

ETC Element and Ion are also Windows based they just hide it while Strand allows you access to some windows features. Both are just as likely to have a Windows crash. The critical thing for both products is to keep your software updated.

...but was severely warned by many people that Strand is not a company that should be worked with for consoles any more and that they are a dying bread.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to choose an ETC product over a Strand product, but the people who gave you this advice could not be more wrong.

Strand is owned by one of the world's largest companies: Phillips. The idea of them being a dying breed is ridiculous. The Philips empire owns Strand, Color Kinetics (and therefore the patents on just about every LED fixture), Selecon, Vari-Light, Entertainment Technology, Lightolier, Marquee, and Horizon controls. Most of them purchased in the last 3 or 4 years. Clearly, Phillips recently decided it wants to be a player in the entertainment lighting industry.

If you look at what they are doing with their purchases it's clear that Strand is a critical part of the plan. The new generation of Strand consoles are running Horizon software. Since purchasing Selecon, they basically threw out the Strand fixture line and now Selecon is the Strand product line. What is missing from the Strand product line? How about LED's... BAM they now own CK. Far from being a "dying breed" Strand has some of the world's deepest pockets throwing money at innovative complimentary product lines and then using them to build a new super product line under the Strand brand name.

Perhaps I misunderstood the quote and the person was implying that Strand consoles themselves are somehow out of date and can't compete with ETC. That too is very inaccurate. First off, Strand released it's now product line nearly a year ahead of ETC. The software of both brands does have a different feel. However, because of the PC based, approach to console design there is almost nothing one manufacturer can do that the other can't decide to add in on the next software upgrade. In the end both ETC and Strand consoles are just home computers, with DMX outputs, and fancy USB device control surfaces. The software, and therefore the console's abilities, are endlessly flexible.

Again there are plenty of legitimate reasons to choose Strand or not to choose Strand products, but saying Strand is in trouble or that the consoles are dramatically inferior is ridiculous. I seriously doubt the people at ETC are looking at all these moves by Phillips and saying, "don't worry about Strand they will be out of business any day now." ETC is the industry favorite right now, but Strand has a mother company with huge pockets behind them. The half dozen middle of the road console manufacturers are the ones who are really in trouble.
 
I downloaded the OLE and have been playing around with it and having lots of fun! I came across a couple of questions though.

When patching moving lights on the Express you had one attribute per channel, so if it was a 16 channel fixture, I was out 16 channels obviously. Yet, when I patch a moving light on the Palette VL, not matter how many channels the fixture is, it only takes up one channel on the VL.

How exactly does this work?

Does this mean since I have 100 channels on the VL that I can have 100 moving lights?

Or does it mean I can have as many fixtures as I want until I reach 512 channels?
 
...Does this mean since I have 100 channels on the VL that I can have 100 moving lights? ...
Sadly no. This is often a point of confusion. See this thread http://www.controlbooth.com/forums/lighting/9839-strand-demo-day.html, specifically this post:

Just a quick reply to clarify some things that seem to be confusing here.

Channels. If you a 96 dimmers then you can use 96 channels. 1 to 1 for example. If you want all 96 dimmers controlled by 1 channel then that's all you use up...1 channel. In fact, you could patch up as many dimmers to as few a channels as you desire. That's what I meant about selling channels, not outputs.

If you have 4 movers that have 25 attributes each, then that will take up 100 channels. Every control parameter takes up a channel. Intensity, pan, tilt, color, gobo...etc. If you add these 4 movers to your 96 channels from your dimmer rack then you are using up 196 channels. Remember that you can purchase more and add channels at anytime.
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In the end both ETC and Strand consoles are just home computers, with DMX outputs, and fancy USB device control surfaces. The software, and therefore the console's abilities, are endlessly flexible.

Err...this is a really big over-simplification of what it takes to make an advanced lighting console that will deliver the real-time reliability that we need in the theatre.

A lighting console running embedded XP and a home computer are very far apart in terms of reliability and features.

For instance, when was the last time that you needed multi-user access to a document you were editing, such that all users could see real-time changes updated 44 times per second? It's the norm for a lighting console!

The big difference between a home computer and a lighting console is that the console is a real-time process-control system with hard timing requirements on each and every function. If your file takes a little bit longer to download to your PC, no problem. If your console misses DMX updates or loses packets from other network devices, big trouble!

Make no mistake, the creation of an advanced lighting control console is a hard, time consuming, and expensive endeavor. Ask any company how many man/years they have in their console. You will be shocked!

Other comments about the fact that a Windows-based machine can be expected to crash during the show are simply not true. Given the right level of testing of the application software, embedded XP has proven to be an extremely reliable OS. And the hard truth is that no lighting control manufacturer can practically afford to develop the complex code required by a console without help from the tools offered by Mr. Gates.

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Sorry Steve. I didn't mean to imply that it doesn't take a lot of very smart people, doing a lot of work, at great expense, and that the resulting software isn't VERY special. I also didn't mean to imply that anyone can build a reliable light board in their basement using Mom's old computer.

I was trying to point out the more global difference from previous generations of consoles which were somewhat locked in time by their hardware. There was very little flexibility for upgrading features in them. The new generation of consoles are all about software. If you open it up you find a computer and the control surface is a very fancy USB input device (a "keyboard" with sliders). As you pointed out, it's the very unique finely tuned software pared with a very reliable computer hardware that does all the heavy lifting now. The flexibility of the new consoles is limited only by the will of the manufacturers to keep upgrading the software. I suppose eventually we could reach a point that the software is more demanding than the current CPU can keep up with. But even then, it's conceivable that there could someday be a CPU upgrade kit available. Instead of purchasing a whole new console, you might someday just swap out the computer on the inside to upgrade to the next generation of CPU power and software capabilities.
 
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As I understand, your question was not "Should I get one" but "I have got one"

ETC vs Strand, this comes up a lot Collaborative article anyone? Gaff's points about Strand being massive are so right, a lot of venues are all Strand, from the console to the dimmers, fixtures, and now with strand owning Selecon (I am a HUGE fanboy of the Pacific range) and Selador (Great LED products) they seem like a great company to go with, I have had only a bit of experience with the new Palette range, but I love the Strand 300/500 series, those consoles are 10 years old and still going strong, still in service and still being used everywhere. Now the Palette series aren't the same as the 300/500 series, (I don't see why they didn't just create and updated version of the 300 & the 500, but that's another thread) but they are solid, and stable, okay, I will admit, I have seen and heard of them blue screening, a mate sent me a picture of one, so it happens, but this can happen to the ETC consoles too. I belive the Palettes let you un-plug a special USB to allow you to run the show from your lappie if the console dies.

The chances of your console dyeing are minimal, but it's always good to be safe, I am currently working on a show, where I arrive 2 hours before the doors open, I climb up my tower and strike my Selecon Pacific dome, take 30 seconds testing dimming, iris, coms, UV Cannons & boomerangs, then climb down un-harness and eat lollies for 2 hours, why? (Other than the fact that lollies taste good) Because 2 hours is the time it will take to get a new one in if it doesn't work. The chances of it not working are minimal, but play it safe.

GOING BACK ON TRACK to the original questions.
Hardly any bugs, but on some occasions they crash.
Not to many weird quirks, a cool console.

As for moving to a new console, well the Strand is similar ish, but I would recommend watching the Palette Training Videos Strand Palette Training Videos they should give you a big head start, and a lot easier than reading a manual.

It goes to something like 50 videos, so a few a night and you will master it soon enough. But nothing beats hands on experience with the console. But the videos on Youtube are good, you can learn a lot, and you can watch stupid pointless videos of animals farting.

Nick
 
...Strand being massive are so right, a lot of venues are all Strand, from the console to the dimmers, fixtures, and now with strand owning Selecon (I am a HUGE fanboy of the Pacific range) and Selador (Great LED products) they seem like a great company to go with,

Correction:
Phillips owns Color Kinetics.
ETC recently purchased Selador.

Remember that Strand doesn't own any of these things, Phillips does. Some of the newly purchased technology has been put UNDER Strand (Selecon and Horizon). But so far other branches of the Phillips family such as Vari-light and Color Kinetics have nothing to do with Strand. Think of it more like this: Strand is a favorite child from a GIANT family, with a very rich mother.
 
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Correction:
Phillips owns Color Kinetics.
ETC recently purchased Selador.

Remember that Strand doesn't own any of these things, Phillips does. Some of the newly purchased technology has been put UNDER Strand (Selecon and Horizon). But so far other branches of the Phillips family such as Vari-light and Color Kinetics have nothing to do with Strand. Think of it more like this: Strand is a favorite child from a GIANT family, with a very rich mother.

On the contrary, Vari*Lite is in the same building as us. So, as we don't have any say in what Vari*Lite does, we do scratch each others backs, whenever possible. Its a love, love situation here;).

But Gafftaper, you are 100% correct with the other statements.
 
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On the contrary, Vari*Lite is in the same building as us. So, as we don't have any say in what Vari*Lite does, we do scratch each others backs, whenever possible. Its a love, love situation here;).
But Gafftaper, you are 100% correct with the other statements.

That's interesting but hearing that a CK wing is being installed in the building would be even more fascinating.

So rschwimmer, it appears that Strand has completely dropped their old fixture line and replaced it with Selcon. Is that an accurate assessment? Are Strand SL's and Strand Fresnels discontinued? I don't see them on the Website.
 
That's interesting but hearing that a CK wing is being installed in the building would be even more fascinating.

So rschwimmer, it appears that Strand has completely dropped their old fixture line and replaced it with Selcon. Is that an accurate assessment? Are Strand SL's and Strand Fresnels discontinued? I don't see them on the Website.


All the Strand fixtures are NO MORE. With the convergence of us and Selecon, we have put all of our priorities, and development into our consoles, architectural controls, and dimming. So any fixture that you have thought of Strand for in the past, will now have to be thought of as Selecon-Strand.

Also, if you are a Palette lover, you will be pleased to know that 10.6.2 should be released and time now....within the next few days. So keep a look out for that. Very smooth operating, and MANY bugs addressed.
 

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