What do you leave on 24/7

What do you leave ON 24/7


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Things that are hard wired in or have camlock input (dimmer racks, amp racks, and the like) are usually hard to turn on and off in an easy way so I say just leave them on. Also because I work in a pretty moist environment I'm in favor of leaving anything with a fan on to prevent condensation build up. Despite that, I still always say turn the console off.
 
The idea of the turn-on surge damaging the equipment is an old tale, probably dating back to the vacuum tube era. These days, it doesn't make sense.

The biggest factor in how long a piece of electronic equipment lasts is its internal temperature and how much time it spends at that temperature. Cool equipment lasts. Equipment that tends to run hot fails quicker. This is why rack layout and the temperature of the room is so important. Dust is an enemy because it coats heat dissapating surfaces of components and acts as insulation. Leaving a full rack space between each piece of equipment helps equipment cool.

I don't think it makes sense, thats just what I heard. I would much rather turn everything off and wait a little longer to turn everything on than limit the life f my equipment.
 
When I worked in installed venues I left everything on except for power amps. The rooms were climate controlled and gear did not get hazardously hot. Regular maintenance is more important, in my opinion, than worrying about powering up/down gear. Make sure to keep amp fans clean and leave enough room in and around racks to allow some airflow. If you're using blank rack panels consider going with the vented ones rather than the solids.
 
There are thousands of amplifiers (most by Crown, Crest, QSC, etc.) in use in Las Vegas casinos that haven't been powered down (except for power outages and minimal routine maintenance) for 15-20 years or more.

I work at a casino and this is absolutely true. We have racks full of crown amps, Media Matrix Nions, Coolsign Media Players, and a Mediabox Audio player that are on 24/7/365. We have to vaccum and blow them out regularly and cross our fingers. We also had timers installed for our lounge speakers as the only way to turn them off was to get into a electrics room we didn't have access to or take a lift up everynight and turn them off physically(they're active speakers)

Interesting thing though was the direct tv recievers we have would have to be turned off and on once every day because they would freeze or would we loose control via Crestron.
 
I work at a casino and this is absolutely true. We have racks full of crown amps, Media Matrix Nions, Coolsign Media Players, and a Mediabox Audio player that are on 24/7/365. We have to vaccum and blow them out regularly and cross our fingers. We also had timers installed for our lounge speakers as the only way to turn them off was to get into a electrics room we didn't have access to or take a lift up everynight and turn them off physically(they're active speakers)

Interesting thing though was the direct tv recievers we have would have to be turned off and on once every day because they would freeze or would we loose control via Crestron.

I'm actually supprised how many of you keep your Dimmer Racks powered up. We have a fairly easily accessed "POWER DISCONNECT LEVER OF DOOM" that we turn of nightly once the fans in the rack of spun down after a show.

that said we leave on 3 Blue CFL's in the off stage stairs Left and right and in the Backstage hall/entry door. In addition our wireless Router stays on. As does my Office computer, just lock it at the end of the day. Our Projector stays "powered" but off, if that makes sense. Aside from that there are only 4 blinky lights on the particulate detectors, the Security Panel, and exit signs left lighting anything up in the House
 
15-20yrs. really? That is impressive. I have not seen that, but my exposure is probably much less than yours if you have seen thousands. LOL! The closest thing that I have seen would be a "Bogen" type PA amp maybe for ten years in a school for 24/7 power.

Well, Las Vegas would be the place where paying for power may not be much of a concern. The amps probably use nil compared to all of the units sucking juice on a casino floor. ;)

Do you know of any manufacturers who actually list that their amps are designed for 24/7/365? And if they do, are they common models that are seen in the field of entertainment? Note: That I am genuinely curious and not intending to be condescending.


Thats Said, Vegas casinos are also probably using their AMPS 24/7 so the AMP elves are never getting bored, vs leaving them powered up but not pushing any audio to them :) What are the hazards of an amp just sitting on not doing anything if anything, aside from the "heat" and electronics run better cool, as pointed out earlier?
 
I'm actually supprised how many of you keep your Dimmer Racks powered up. We have a fairly easily accessed "POWER DISCONNECT LEVER OF DOOM" that we turn of nightly once the fans in the rack of spun down after a show.

that said we leave on 3 Blue CFL's in the off stage stairs Left and right and in the Backstage hall/entry door. In addition our wireless Router stays on. As does my Office computer, just lock it at the end of the day. Our Projector stays "powered" but off, if that makes sense. Aside from that there are only 4 blinky lights on the particulate detectors, the Security Panel, and exit signs left lighting anything up in the House


Its actually not that surprising as quite a few of the older dimmer racks required the Control unit to be on at all times. Not to mention that the house lights and emergency lighting system in place runs through the rack for architecture lighting. I know in the high schools in the area the racks are on continuously unless repairs are being made through the year. Whether there is going to be a show or not.
 
Thats Said, Vegas casinos are also probably using their AMPS 24/7 so the AMP elves are never getting bored, vs leaving them powered up but not pushing any audio to them :) What are the hazards of an amp just sitting on not doing anything if anything, aside from the "heat" and electronics run better cool, as pointed out earlier?

If they are being used, than that justifys the need to never power down, outside of maintenance.

For us, we do not use them 24/7 and the harm for us would be the cost of power for all those idle amps and what I would consider a potential decrease of life for a unit by what was mentioned above, larger amounts of dust and dirt getting sucked into an amp 24/7 and coating the components. What I am learning from Derek and your experience is that amps seem to do well under 24/7 operation, with a proper PM process.
 
My original background started in television back in 1957. At that time everything was tubes, with transistors sneaking into the mix over the next few years. With tube equipment, they were never turned off, other than repair. Many tube circuits, would drift with changes in temperature, therefore, all of the electronic rooms were kept at 68 to 72 degrees F. As the TV industry grew into solid state circuitry, the same standards of temp control and policy of 24/7 powering remained the same. I ran a TV production facility for 17 years, and the only thing that we ever turned off, were the CRT monitors.

I am not sure where I heard it, but it was widely accepted in the TV industry, that most solid state circuitry that fails, will do it in the first 90 days of continous use. There after failure rates are rare for the next 10 to 14 years, as long as the 68 to 72 degree at 50% humidity or less, standard was maintained.
In Theatres where amp racks and dimmer racks are maintained under those standards, I can see no reason for powering them down. There was a chart, that I no longer have, on how failure rates increase with ambient temperature. It is almost shocking how quickly the rate of failure increases with just small changes above the quoted temperature.

That being said, I turn off all of my electronics at the theatre where I know hang my hat. We are in the lightning center of Florida, and our building is a city owned building where temperatures vary with supervisory attitudes.

Our house light dimmer is powered 24/7, but I built it from some 1970s Electro Control modules using dual SCRs. I also have two oversized fans in the rack. One comes on anytime one of the channels is brought to more than 30% and the other is turned on by an internal thermostat when the rack temperature exceeds 80* F.

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15-20yrs. really? That is impressive. I have not seen that, but my exposure is probably much less than yours if you have seen thousands. LOL! The closest thing that I have seen would be a "Bogen" type PA amp maybe for ten years in a school for 24/7 power.

Well, Las Vegas would be the place where paying for power may not be much of a concern. The amps probably use nil compared to all of the units sucking juice on a casino floor. ;)

Do you know of any manufacturers who actually list that their amps are designed for 24/7/365? And if they do, are they common models that are seen in the field of entertainment? Note: That I am genuinely curious and not intending to be condescending.

I would imagine that most amps can deal with it. The only real thing you would have to do is clean the filters occasionally, I would think. At a friend's large recording studio, they never turn anything off because the many racks of gear take about 10 minutes to start using the sequencer and apparently the sound is "better" when the gear is warm. So the stuff they have there has probably been on for a couple years at least, some of it probably more. They are active pretty much all the time, so even maintince needs to be scheduled months in advance...
 
Interesting info on the audio amps that are left on all the time. I spoke to a friend who works at a studio in Atlanta, who states the same about leaving all of their amps on....as well as the consoles. He also stated that they have very expensive maintenance contracts from a 3rd party in place, where techs come in and provide regular cleaning and service.

It's more common than I originally thought.
 
I don't see a problem with leaving installed dimmer racks powered on. From what I know about Sensor racks at least, is that after a time of inactivity and the rack cools, the system basically goes in to hibernation, leaving only the CEM powered up and listening for a signal. It sounds reasonable -- you never know when someone is going to need to enter the space, and for those without a dedicated and constant-on houselight dimmer rack, your racks need to be powered up and ready for use.

Just as an anecdote, I worked overnights at Lowe's Home Improvement and their satellite-fed Muzak system never shuts down. The music plays continuously, as it is a simultaneous broadcast to all stores, and the stores in Hawaii will be open while the stores in New York will be closed. Apparently it's an 'all or nothing' deal. It's probably also entertaining for the nuts and bolts ;).
 
Lately it seems like my brain has been on 24/7 and my body almost as long.
 
Parts of the audio Rack. We have a Nexia Audio Processor that sends signals to Furman power conditioners when to turn on. Also our digital snake always has power, but the tt24 digital soundboard that it talks to gets turned off.

Also our architectural lighting system talks on the same DMX universe as the theater lights. Wall panels can turn on the theater lights for general day-to-day use. Only turn on the lightboard for events.
 
As with (it looks like) most everyone else our dimmer pack is the only thing that remains on. Our space is (mostly) unconditioned during the week and can get somewhat toasty during the summer.

that said we leave on 3 Blue CFL's in the off stage stairs Left and right and in the Backstage hall/entry door.

I've noticed in several places people reference using blue for low light situations (another thread talked about using blue gels). This doesn't seem like a very good choice to me since blue is the absolutely worst color for preserving night vision. Red is the best (it's no coincidence you see it used all the time in night scenes, esp. with the military involved).
 
But red bleeds much more onto the stage than blue, blue also is a little less painful on the eyes.

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But red bleeds much more onto the stage than blue

Either color dim should be about the same. Now if your stage is primarily blue or another complementary color (we have blue carpeting, for example) I could see how it would be perceived less, but it shouldn't make a substantial difference one way or the other.

blue also is a little less painful on the eyes.

Actually it's not. Blue more negatively affects the photoreceptors in your eyes that are responsible for night vision. It's why you see Red illumination used in the military and as an offering on vendors who offer lights - for example Littlite offers white and red on their switchable lights. Getting ready to order a couple of those myself to illuminate the areas where our computers are better.
 
At my school the SR48 rack is on however there are no fixtures on, the unison processor stays on aswell (obviously)

At my theatre we leave nothing on, sometimes ill leave a fan on in the booth all the time to keep it cooler.
 
Either color dim should be about the same.
That would depend on the light transmission of the color. In my experience, at a similar level of color saturation, red tends to transmit more light than blue, red washes are "brighter" than blue washes, and blue gels burn more quickly than red. I don't have any numbers to back this up, it's just my observation.
 

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