New gel frame is easier, IMO.I'm going to miss the old T-handles, though. (And is the new gel-frame slot easier or harder for students to figure out than the old gel clip?)
Also, this might force everyone to finally get consistent on color-coding lens tubes. It's not the same color-order as Ovation lens, huh?
Lastly ... MSRP is lower than what Luster 2's are going for...! I wonder how this will impact the ColorSource and CS-jr line.
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Not to jump on the pessimistic bandwagon, but I agree.OK, So I had a bit of a discussion with some folks on FB last night about one of my major concerns with this fixture. Not to be the dirty bubble in the hot tub but... I really get an "All-in-one Printer, scanner, copier, Fax machine" off of this. Is it too much? Cramming this many systems and this much electronics technology into a very small, very hot space, especially in a lighting fixture that moves around and get's jostled a lot, is it a good idea?
One of my friends said, "Hey ETC is fantastic about their warranties and will always go the extra mile to help you out." to which I can only reply, Sure, as long as the fixture is under warranty and any fault isn't yours. In a school setting, I think we all know, a fixture package is purchased and might get an upgrade in 15-20 years, maybe. While I have no doubt that the LED array will last that long, as long as the heat sink doesn't develop problems or the Array board doesn't develop corrosion issues, will all the bells and whistles continue to function and if one system goes do they all? Granted I haven't seen the inside, yet, but to fit everything there has got to be some major consolidation of circuits onto one board going on.
"back in the day" you had a 360Q it was a workhorse that you could bang around all day; development was reserved for the accessories and supplies. No, I'm not suggesting everyone buy 360Q's and put them on saltwater dimmers but I am a big fan of simple systems. Why have an all in one that cost twice as much which when breaks costs a fixture price to get repaired.
I'll take my answer off the air.
OK, So I had a bit of a discussion with some folks on FB last night about one of my major concerns with this fixture. Not to be the dirty bubble in the hot tub but... I really get an "All-in-one Printer, scanner, copier, Fax machine" off of this. Is it too much? Cramming this many systems and this much electronics technology into a very small, very hot space, especially in a lighting fixture that moves around and get's jostled a lot, is it a good idea?
One of my friends said, "Hey ETC is fantastic about their warranties and will always go the extra mile to help you out." to which I can only reply, Sure, as long as the fixture is under warranty and any fault isn't yours. In a school setting, I think we all know, a fixture package is purchased and might get an upgrade in 15-20 years, maybe. While I have no doubt that the LED array will last that long, as long as the heat sink doesn't develop problems or the Array board doesn't develop corrosion issues, will all the bells and whistles continue to function and if one system goes do they all? Granted I haven't seen the inside, yet, but to fit everything there has got to be some major consolidation of circuits onto one board going on.
"back in the day" you had a 360Q it was a workhorse that you could bang around all day; development was reserved for the accessories and supplies. No, I'm not suggesting everyone buy 360Q's and put them on saltwater dimmers but I am a big fan of simple systems. Why have an all in one that cost twice as much which when breaks costs a fixture price to get repaired.
I'll take my answer off the air.
By the same logic, if you aren't going to use gels with these fixtures (and I suspect many users would never have need of doing so), why pay for the frame/clips?We all know it has dmx connectors but not every venue that is already using wireless is using multiverse, so for them it's a facility they either won't use or will have to change existing infrastructure to do so. If they arent going to use it, why pay for it?
We all know it has dmx connectors but not every venue that is already using wireless is using multiverse, so for them it's a facility they either won't use or will have to change existing infrastructure to do so. If they arent going to use it, why pay for it?
I have to worry about an adjacent space alsoe getting new series 3 units and now needing to share those 10 universes, so as to plan to avoid conflicts.
To add to the discussion, for dealers to add this to their systems to order it, there are already 48 SKUs (2 engines w/ and w/o shutter barrels, in 3 colors, with 4 cable options) Making the radio optional would make the # of SKU's 96. Please, please don't do that to me.
That happens all the time anyway.But hey, you'd have lots of job security even though you'd probably wake up in the middle of the night in a sweat panicking if you used the wrong SKU in a big order.
They offer them without shutter barrels? What do they come with instead? Or is this a retrofit version?To add to the discussion, for dealers to add this to their systems to order it, there are already 48 SKUs (2 engines w/ and w/o shutter barrels, in 3 colors, with 4 cable options) Making the radio optional would make the # of SKU's 96. Please, please don't do that to me.
The signals are ID-coded so two different multiverse systems can't cross-talk accidentally. The way that multiverse pulses the signal only when there are changes actually makes it pretty efficient. Definitely worth a deep dive if you are concerned.
It's not that easy, different radio systems have different power needs and will need to interact with the fixture differently. They won't all pinout the same way. ETC would have to increase the cost of the radios and the fixture to build a shell around the radio modules to make it a common plugin setup. Not saying it's not possible, but it's a lot of work for what I would expect to be edge cases.If I were given a free hand I'd think, yeah, great, and if I was kitting out somewhere with 100+ fixtures from new, yeah, great., absolutely.
I'm thinking more of smaller houses where they are already invested in some wireless system, already have some ETC (and maybe other manufacturer's) LED fixtures, and a load of conventional and are only replacing part of the inventory year on year, or aren't a big budget house (after the pandemic abates are there going to be as may big budgets?).
The other advantage I can see to modular construction is when a new, even better wireless system comes out. You can't just swap out the module when it's built in, whereas if it was a pluggable module you could. Making the module pluggable gets around the SKU hell too - you don't have to carry two different profile engines and two different Fresnel's (and two different cycs, and battens and so on) - you have one of each and a pluggable wireless module. One extra SKU.
Don't get me wrong, I think they're great fixtures, just somewhat surprised at the way some of the design decisions have been implemented. Do I want them in my inventory? Hell, yes.
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