plugging my pars into regular edison outlets

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I've seen people use a twist-lock to edison adapter, plugged into a wall socket, to test that all their lights are working before they get started. Pars, source4s, anything..

I don't know much about electricity, and none of the people I've seen doing this are professionals, so I wanted to ask if it's safe - both for a short period and a long period.

Could I do this to keep a couple lights on for a couple hours at a time for small music recitals in a classroom? Would I have to make sure both outlets aren't on the same circuit? Or that nobody else is drawing something significant from that circuit?

Help is much appreciated.
 
Pars are usually lamped at 300, 500, or 1000 watts. All of these are under 10 amps draw. A standard Edison outlet is rated at 15 amps so there is no technical reason you can't as long as the circuit has 10 amps to spare! (In other words, what else is plugged in elsewhere?)

The big mistake on "Edison" outlets (known as 15 amp U- ground, or NEMA 5-15R) is that people put a regular extension cord between the fixture and the plug! You should still be using a 12/3 SO type cable in that extension.

Technically, this is a classroom as compared to a public performance space, but I would still stay with the 12/3 SO.
 
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So basically: Yes it is safe, as long as you do your homework
A. Use the correct 12/3 cable
B: Know what else is plugged into that circuit (sometimes you have to check the prints of the building if it's old, they don't always have the most practical or safe wiring)
C: Know the wattage of your lights
If you are running on a 15A circuit at 120V, you will be able to draw 1,800 Watts before you trip the circuit breaker. So if all your Pars have 1,000 watt lamps, you can only run 1 on a circuit at a time.
Remember: Wattage= Amps x Volts.
 
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From the electrical theory stand point you "should" be safe. As long as the building meets code, Even if there was more on that circuit that you didn't know about, and you plugged in, it would just trip a circuit. Easy fixes and doesn't cause damage.

From a theater standpoint I've seen road shows with their tech guy carrying about 15 (their plug) to Edison adapters just for that purpose.
 
and addressing the short vs. long term point: Either should be safe as long as your adapters are the same gauge cable as your other cable. I've seen people run lights through an adapter just to check... and also as long as to set up a lobby display. Just think of it as another appliance in your circuit.
 
Just a few notes on cable types: (Detail covered elsewhere on this site)

S, SO Rough service. (good for theater)
ST Rough service thermoplastic. (good for theater)
SJ Light duty (Not good for theater)
-Unlabeled- Consumer grade, unknown grade. Not good.

Often, there are other letters but look for the first two. Example: SOOW is a type of SO cable. This is only a quick reference. Check the Wiki for more detail and other types.
 
It may get rather toasty in there with that extra power, though. Especially if you use 500 or 1000 watt units. Just something to be mindful of.
 
We do it all the time for uplight in ballrooms, behind stages for announcements, etc. We usually lamps them with ray kits and dys lamps (600 watts) and put 3 of them on 20 amp circuits.
 
I've seen people use a twist-lock to edison adapter, plugged into a wall socket, ...
No, you haven't.:evil: A "twist-lock to edison adapter" has a Male Twistlock and a Female Edison and is the opposite of what is required. On adapters, MALE END FIRST!

It seems to me there ought to be a universal rule or law that prohibits anyone from plugging in anything unless he/she knows the amperage draw of the device (W=VA), and how to calculate for multiple units (usually simple addition of amperages).
 
MALE END FIRST!

Seems very sexist and chauvinistic :cool:

Actually, the reason people get fussy about the verbiage is that a slip of the tongue can wreck a show. (Such as a pile of the wrong adapters showing up!)
 
Pars are usually lamped at 300, 500, or 1000 watts. All of these are under 10 amps draw. A standard Edison outlet is rated at 15 amps so there is no technical reason you can't as long as the circuit has 10 amps to spare! (In other words, what else is plugged in elsewhere?)

The big mistake on "Edison" outlets (known as 15 amp U- ground, or NEMA 5-15R) is that people put a regular extension cord between the fixture and the plug! You should still be using a 12/3 SO type cable in that extension.

Technically, this is a classroom as compared to a public performance space, but I would still stay with the 12/3 SO.

Technically and while better to stay SO in general, there is nothing wrong with SJ for a classroom. Bigger mistake would be to assume that each outlet you can find in a classroom can supply 15A per outlet. Instead, normally your outer window walls are one circuit per a number of outlets along the wall, inner walls are another circuit along the side of side of building, - connected to another classroom, and in-between classrooms, you might be lucky to get an isolated outlet in the front or rear but normally at best a third and or fourth circuit you can pull from assuming the other class rooms next to you are not drawing current. It’s an industrial school space thus 20A from in as per normal three to possibly four circuits per classroom is the norm. This even if 5-15 outlets presented.

Could be 15A breakers and to be checked, but more normal no matter if 5-15R or 5-20R in outlet, it is a 20A breaker. Type of plug used on stage L5-20, L5-15, 5-15, 5-20 or stage pin, the current feeding it don’t matter just different plugs and all are acceptable for their loads including on stage. Given twist lock in use, probably a stage that was last worked on in the 80's when that was most popular.


16ga type SO cable is the minimum compliant size of cabling to be used in theaters of all sizes. If not a theater proper, believe it was like class 1A but will be corrected on that, and this is not... also if at least 16ga and grounded though not require, it is still rated for 1Kw loads. Again I fully support the 12/3 SOOW concept for cabling, but not always budget now able. Always better to idiot proof your system in some later than you might think say two 1K loads can be fed by an extension cord. Even carpenters on job sites use 15A worm drive Skill Saws with 100' runs of 16ga cable. Works fine for now until it fails. Gauge of wire per load or in the concept of 12ga wire in general - not your usage, but potential expected usage. Will someone cube tap off the lights you have at some point without supervision would be a good reason not to use 16ga cable when now over 1Kw. 28 day usage before removal also needs to be complied to in the next show needs to get re-configured for reasons like that loading afterwards.

Adaptors for the twist need to be sized to the load plugged in. If 1Kw load, they don’t need to be larger than 16ga. (12ga. overall the standard but others will work.) Follow the load ratings of the cable, not the dogma.

SJ Light duty (Not good for theater)
-Unlabeled- Consumer grade, unknown grade. Not good
SJ fine for other than certain classes of theater though losing the “J” cable as a goal is really good. All cable not marked is bad - including type S, SOOW etc. Once a cable is no longer showing it’s markings, it is to be deleted from the system. All cable which is code compliant sold these days is marked. Consumer grade orange extension cords are marked and compliant for applications including this one. Best choice - no, but are compliant yes.

Just because it’s orange, doesn’t mean that it isn’t compliant with the 28 day wonder NEC policies for other than class 1A theater spaces or dependant on local code especially for a local school, that It won’t be fine. On the other hand given the NEC is an overall rule to be adopted locally and each area adopts it or supplements it as they require, than beyond that a school district adopts or not NEC and or their own policies - it’s all up for grabs as to what the local school rules require or not. They are in their own world as a school in exemptions and policies.

tjrobb has a good concept in lamping down for the size of the space as mentioned by others but specific in needs for the space stated.

Derek is also absolutely correct in industry standard that any adaptor you describe should be male end first described, than the female end. It’s not sexist - just the only option out there to speak the same language. No you didn’t. Also the figure out ability of the space before plugging stuff in. Are you doing lighting design and tech, or just plugging a toaster into your kitchen while using the microwave in hoping you don't blow a fuse?

On rational for male end of an adaptor first as opposed to the reverse, - heardwomen tech people more than once saying, (not to me), "differnt plumbing, get over it". Indeed! Get over it in adaptor code for the industry is male end to female end. It is what it is and isn't going to change. A standard not anything other than it.
 
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... One rationale for male end of an adapter first as opposed to the reverse, - heard women tech people more than once saying (not to me), "different plumbing, get over it." Indeed! Get over it in adapter code for the industry is male end to female end. It is what it is and isn't going to change. A standard not anything other than it.


I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want a "Live" male end sticking out there :/
just saying...
 
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I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want a "Live" male end sticking out there :/
just saying...

True, but I don't see anything in this thread that suggests such a device. By specifying the wrong order, you may get a female Edison where you wanted a female stage pin, but never a double-male on a mains voltage line.
 
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