is this how we do it in theater

According to OSHA this is not how to do this...Any one know why? Found this on a website for a theatrical company actually their homepage.

The strap is going under his arm...if he were to fall the strap would at the very least dislocate his shoulder and in a worst case scenario it could sever his arm completely off...

spribil said:

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Are those MiSphere s in the background? If so, this was probably U2's Vertigo Tour of 2005.

Also the safety is attached to his front waist which makes a full body harness useless. If he were to fall, the arm/shoulder is a definite problem but snapping his back is the other.

spribil said:

According to OSHA this is not how to do this...Any one know why? Found this on a website for a theatrical company actually their homepage.

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Can you direct me to the website where this photo came from. I guess my monitor is too small so I can't distinguish if he is clipped in at all or if he just has some sort of lanyard draped over his shoulder.

ruinexplorer said:

Can you direct me to the website where this photo came from. I guess my monitor is too small so I can't distinguish if he is clipped in at all or if he just has some sort of lanyard draped over his shoulder.

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To me, it appears he isn't actually clipped into anything, and just has the lanyards over his shoulder.

It appears you are correct. At first look it appeared it was under his arm but it does seem to be over his shoulder. It still seems to just be a runner either hooked to his chest or waist. Either way it isn't a proper fall protection setup. Positioning maybe but not fall.

I think more context (or a larger picture) is needed- I can't even tell if the person is climbing or just standing on the ground looking up.

-Todd

well I could post the link to the website but do not want to do that...and for argument sake it really does not matter if he is getting ready to climb, has been climbing or is in the process of climbing...there is so much wrong with the "idea" of safety here.

spribil said:

for argument sake it really does not matter if he is getting ready to climb, has been climbing or is in the process of climbing...

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I think that the context matters- your original post asked: "According to OSHA this is not how to do this...Any one know why?"

It's not clear to me what the "this" you are referring to is. Is this person at height and not clipped in correctly? Or are they standing on the ground and just happen to be wearing a harness? Is it rhetorical question or are you genuinely asking what is wrong? What are you seeing in this tiny picture that I am not?

spribil said:

there is so much wrong with the "idea" of safety here.

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I'm not trying to be argumentative- I simply can't tell what's wrong with the picture without some more context. What is the "idea" that's being presented?

Thanks,
Todd

The main problem I see is that he is using a lanyard made for static positioning only as a D ring extender. Many people can't reach their back D ring to clip into and out of vertical fall arresters and I see all kinds of creative ways to fix that, but you need to use something that is actually rated for the HUGE dynamic load of you falling on it, not just something that says it'll hold your weight. The first acceptable product Google brings up is this one.

After thought: It also looks like he is using an aluminum carabiner that is probably also not rated for fall protection.

Ok so the simple thing is where the attachment is...not his back as required in fall protection. No shock absorbing lanyard. It is a "full body" harness so I am not going to go there. The first look at even a small picture tells you that this is not compliant.

porkchop said:

The main problem I see is that he is using a lanyard made for static positioning only as a D ring extender.

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Brett,
I don't see anything attached to the dorsal D-ring on the harness. I can't say with certainty what the lanyard (or webbing/runner/rope) over his shoulder and the various carabiners are intended for.

I agree with using the right product for the job, but I don't see definitive evidence in this picture of an improper D-ring extender.

-Todd

It is not evident in this picture if the crew member is at height. If so, then there is a definite lack of proper clipping in. The only point where I see an attachment to the harness is at the waist positioning point. However, since there is no tension on that and we cannot verify anything from this picture, it is conjecture to say that there is any problem here. The lanyard over his shoulder is not connected to the harness as a D-ring extender, nor is it attached to any point that I can verify.

Maybe we can set some points of reference and then discuss what is right and wrong about this picture.
1. Assume working at height, where should the attachment be and what type of attachment.
2. Assume clip on side is being used, why would you want to use this point on the harness and what is the proper way to use it?
Other topics?

ruinexplorer said:

Maybe we can set some points of reference and then discuss what is right and wrong about this picture.
1. Assume working at height, where should the attachment be and what type of attachment.
2. Assume clip on side is being used, why would you want to use this point on the harness and what is the proper way to use it?
Other topics?

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1. Fall arrest equipment is only attached to the dorsal d-ring.
The type of lanyard depends on the application, but always a shock absorber.
I use a dual leg 6ft Miller StretchStop with large scaffolding hooks for truss climbing and a single leg StretchStop lanyard with regular snap hooks when in aerial lifts.

2. Waist d-rings are for positioning only.

After some creative Googling:

The hat.
I don't know what that is, but it looks like a plastic parody of a cowboy hat.
Don't even NEED safety gear when you have a hat like that!

Well they do make cowboy style hardhats, though I'd always stick with a traditional style


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Even with the larger picture, it is difficult to tell if he is working at height. Obviously he is not tied in so should not be working at height.

Bonus points for my previous question. At what point can you use your front/chest D-ring?

Interesting harness usage on the left