Vintage Lighting Beam light, who is the maker of this one ?

I need help to identify this one.

It's not a Kliegl 1143 or 3440 nor a Strand Patt 750 neither an altman 660.



It has a 1K mogul screw bulb , I think it could support a 2k
The front swing open in the middle to insert a round 16" gel frame.
I dismantled one to clean it and change the Asbestos wires and theres is not a single marking.
The wires where attached to the body with a plastic insert, it my help average the time frame.
This plastic knob my be the clue. I can't figure where I saw this kind of knob before.

Any clue will be welcomed.

That knob color is Mole Richardson's signature color. Doubt it is their gear, but just throwing that out there.

Concur about the knob, also with the notion that it's not a Mole fixture. The general look of the metalwork and the way it's put together would suggest to me perhaps early/mid seventies Major or Hub or someone like that........

Capitol or Hub would be my first guess.

It seems to be lacking some of the the Hub subtleties, so I don't think it's from them. Other than that, I have no idea. I love this forum, you learn something new every day. I'm curious to hear what Ship has to say.

Color of knob is at times other than an indicator. Remember the past posts about LECO brand with their red shutter knobs and possible for this given no catalogues published in brand.

National X-Ray company has a lot of catalogues on the net published, same base concept. I only studied into my own fixture, possibly one of their early beam projectors if they made them??? (Perhaps a re-study of their on-line catalogues in the later years.) First start to the fixture that is appairently an early beam projector and not a flood light where the lamp in other photos would be exposed. (More photos to show if wanted in having seen them.) There is a shield over the lamp which prevents the flood of light, just not designed for the baffles that a normal beam projector would have. Beam Light it was called, yep if filament reflecor/shield, it is a beam light persay in correct in not quite refined to beam projector, or the second generation floodlight I thouht.

Look at the gel frame assembly and wire to support it, I'm thinking 30's thru 50's in age for style.

I have a c.1911 National X-Ray company Floodlight and the texture paint on this light is at least not what was used by that company back than. Could have changed over the years, but at a start to conversation possibly not that brand, or could be. Have not counted size and amount of venting holes as often similar for a brand..

Note the three grometted holes for the grounded fixture whip. Says age in perhaps later than earlier. Amazing still how similar the beam projector is in style to a flood light that's just short of the filament shield to it's design, but lacking that baffle in later concept for a beam projector.

Recently bought a Century beam projector for instace... No idea of model or age for the most part of it in similar but shorter in length size normal. Know mine is going to be younger than this given the lack of baffles in refining the beam on the one above. Known date of when Strand bought out Century at least for an end date to my fixture, what is this fixture? National X-Ray, probably not Kliegl, Century early model or someone else?

A real beam projector is a bit shorter than this beam light. This beam light is very similar to the c.1911 floodlight I have in length/depth. Only it has a filament shield common to a beam projector.

"Beam Light" possibly a new type of fixture for the history books that was between the two generations of light? Who made this one?

sertek58 said:

I need help to identify this one.

It's not a Kliegl 1143 or 3440 nor a Strand Patt 750 neither an altman 660.

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It has a 1K mogul screw bulb , I think it could support a 2k
The front swing open in the middle to insert a round 16" gel frame.
I dismantled one to clean it and change the Asbestos wires and theres is not a single marking.
The wires where attached to the body with a plastic insert, it my help average the time frame.
This plastic knob my be the clue. I can't figure where I saw this kind of knob before.

Any clue will be welcomed.

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The mogul screw base suggests a 24-volt 500W or 1kW lamp. I don't think it's a Reiche & Vogel, and definitely not Pani, but I wonder if it is the knock-off produced by Theatre Projects in London in the 60's.

ST

The gromets where made by HEYCO but there is no reference on their site for the 5K-1 code.
It may be a retrofit but there is no traces of previous device.

The bulb is a 1K on 120v.

Many thanks.

sertek58 said:

The grommets where made by HEYCO but there is no reference on their site for the 5K-1 code.

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Skintight and Heyco both make cord grips and use different codes for their grip size. A grip on what is best for say an individual conductor of asbestos could be found out, but could also be dependant on brand of what used. Note the three grometted holes for the grounded fixture whip. Grommeted holes don't use in addition to them cord grips - knots are tied on the conductors instead normally.

As said, mid-later 50's grounding was an added feature in at least putting an age to it.

Fixture wise, thought it was a floodlight matching my National X-Ray one from like 1911 due to size initially, than I considered it's gel frame assembly and paint texture in it not. Also, later told that there was a filament shield mount this light has which my flood light does not have.

Called a beam light, I have heard of this term before anyone else? Perhaps this is one in some pre-beam projector link between what ever happened to the flood light and how the beam projector that in a 50's modern sense has baffles in addition to that filament shield became invented. Just a question of length of the fixture, look at how much longer it is than a normal beam projector. Look at the gel frame bracket as it old school gel frames that would mount roundells for cyc lights.

Again, I would do research into the National X-Ray company, lots of info out there on their fixtures in catalogues. Possibly this one found in a later catalogue. After, would just assume the step between styles when no matter the brand the beam projector got invented and thus a very important fixture to see posted.

Can you take a picture of the back on the fixture and a better one of the reflector/innards?

gafftapegreenia said:

Can you take a picture of the back on the fixture and a better one of the reflector/innards?

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this would help. It reminds me of the old acting area floods the Strand version (Patt 76) looked more like a barrel and they were often known as barrel floods. Although I must admit it does look like the Strand Beamlight which definitely had no spill rings and used two parabolic reflectors. The difference between the two was in the beam angle. The patt 76 was adjustable between 25 and 50 dgrees and the beamlight was adjustable between 6 to 18 degrees. Have you been able to try it to get an idea of the beam angle. Knowing if it is a beamlight or an acting area flood may help track it down.

Some more pictures...

I was surprise to get an answer from Heyco:

"The best we can determine is we obsoleted the tooling for 5k-1 in early 1987"

I stand corrected in not having re-reviewed the photos and thank apologies on all parts for this detail not noted.

Bet it's an Altman 760.

http://mail.altmanltg.com/publicsyn...iew&ID={5CFB6E25-DEC6-481E-AC7D-6707495D0F1F}

gafftapegreenia said:

Bet it's an Altman 760.

http://mail.altmanltg.com/publicsynergy/docs/BDDocument.asp?Action=View&ID={5CFB6E25-DEC6-481E-AC7D-6707495D0F1F}

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Thank you for coming back on my dismiss of the 760. We are very close I guess. The first picture I saw of the 760 was so bad I could not see the hinges and the drawing was so diffrerent. With this PDF , and after cleaning one I can compare more details. It is an Altman for sure but a later version of the 760 , let's call it LT for long throw because the body is almost 2" longer giving it a narrower beam , thus the yoke as only one set of holes. Otherwise ( you have to look at the picture not the drawing ) this is it. The knob is probably a later addition also. I will put new wires an average the beam angle. I will give it a try in my theater and post pictures I promise.

With all this info, I will email Altman to find if they can get a time frame.

The answer:" Altman Lighting stopped using Asbestos wiring in the mid 1970’s

I would imagine this fixture was built in the early 70’s".

The best guess so far.

Regards.

I think it is an Electro Controls, they had a beam projector and used red handles with lights.