Cloud Based Lighting Paperwork

Greetings:

A year or so I built a simple web based / cloud based lighting paperwork system because I thought it would be a fun project and I didn't want to pay for a Lightwright license since I only do a few shows a year these days.

I've thought about taking my project and commercializing it, but I have no way of estimating demand.

I know lighting paperwork is built into WYSIWYG and Vectorworks, so I'm wondering to what extent a standalone paperwork system like Lightwright is still used.

What do you guys think? Is cloud based lighting paperwork (meaning tablet and mobile device support) something you'd get excited about?

-Jeff
 
I know lighting paperwork is built into WYSIWYG and Vectorworks, so I'm wondering to what extent a standalone paperwork system like Lightwright is still used.

What do you guys think? Is cloud based lighting paperwork (meaning tablet and mobile device support) something you'd get excited about?

-Jeff
The thing is, everyone is using LightWright. No one really uses the paperwork engine in VW, it was kind of an afterthought that still has barely been fleshed out. Not to mention that John McKernon and LW are somewhat in bed with VW now.

The question you may need to be asking is: Do you offer enough of a feature set to actually compete?

I don't mean to be a debbie-downer, but I think that it would take a significant feature set at a more affordable price point to break the market. It would be good for LW to have some competition, it just needs to be top-notch competition.
 
The thing is, everyone is using LightWright. No one really uses the paperwork engine in VW, it was kind of an afterthought that still has barely been fleshed out. Not to mention that John McKernon and LW are somewhat in bed with VW now.

The question you may need to be asking is: Do you offer enough of a feature set to actually compete?

I don't mean to be a debbie-downer, but I think that it would take a significant feature set at a more affordable price point to break the market. It would be good for LW to have some competition, it just needs to be top-notch competition.

Thanks Alex. Don't sweat the Debbie Downer stuff. No offense taken on my end. I'm certainly aware of the challenges of breaking into a market that's currently a monopoly and addressing your concerns directly would either involve being openly critical of Lightwright or launching into a sales pitch for my solution, neither of which would be in good taste for a public forum.

I'll only say that the last time I did this it was to build a rental inventory management system for our industry - and that effort eventually became Flex Rental Solutions - so this would be a serious, determined effort.

I mainly just wanted to see if the industry was trending toward another solution to the problem other than a standalone lighting paperwork tool. Most of the folks I've talked to have basically said what you said: Yes, everybody still uses it - but good luck getting them to switch.

I can handle the feature shootout problem, but I'd hate to get all the way to the booth at LDI only to find out that everyone just uses the lighting paperwork features built into other tools - like CAD programs, pre-visualization programs, or control consoles.

Thanks again for the insight. It is much appreciated.
 
Thanks Alex. Don't sweat the Debbie Downer stuff. No offense taken on my end. I'm certainly aware of the challenges of breaking into a market that's currently a monopoly and addressing your concerns directly would either involve being openly critical of Lightwright or launching into a sales pitch for my solution, neither of which would be in good taste for a public forum.

I'll only say that the last time I did this it was to build a rental inventory management system for our industry - and that effort eventually became Flex Rental Solutions - so this would be a serious, determined effort.

I mainly just wanted to see if the industry was trending toward another solution to the problem other than a standalone lighting paperwork tool. Most of the folks I've talked to have basically said what you said: Yes, everybody still uses it - but good luck getting them to switch.

I can handle the feature shootout problem, but I'd hate to get all the way to the booth at LDI only to find out that everyone just uses the lighting paperwork features built into other tools - like CAD programs, pre-visualization programs, or control consoles.

Thanks again for the insight. It is much appreciated.

I disagree, if a product sucks, people should be welcome to discuss its suckiness in a public forum; a smart product developer will use this feedback to make the product better. I like and use VectorWorks, but its lighting paperwork sucks.
I do most of my paperwork in Excel. I do copy and paste from VW, but their paperwork is practically unusable. I'm still on 2016, so hopefully, there will be some improvement when I upgrade to 2017.

I do not want to have to buy yet another program(for $700), to do paperwork, that quite frankly VW spotlight should be doing. However, if you offer a cost effective solution, that can easily integrate with VX, then I am interested.

I'm at the same place with Lightning Tapes, It's a cool plugin, but I still need to use Excel and Word to create my Fixture labels that match to the info on the Truss tapes (I'm using excel anyway, so not that big of a deal). I emailed those guys/gals, and they had put off sticker printing in their plugin because the figured everyone was using Light Wright. Apparently, after some feedback, they do plan to add label printing in the future.
So I guess my point is that I think there may be some room in the market for this product.

As far as WYG goes, It is about as expensive for paperwork only, last time I checked, and If you are already using Vectorworks or AutoCad, you end up doing a lot of things twice. I think the key to a new product will be solid stand alone use and smooth integration with VW, maybe other programs, but I think VW seems to be the standard right now for the Lighting industry.

If you do go through with this development, please consider this. I might have four or six different freelance techs for example, who each need to create paperwork, but only once a month(or less) and at different times/days. It's not feasible for me to buy licenses of a software for each freelancer to use occasionally, especially if they are using their personal computers, but if there were a licence key that could live on our office server(or the cloud), and anyone working for me could login and use it, even only one or two instances at a time, It would be an easy sell for me.

I was planning on doing all of this via FileMaker, but quite frankly, I will probably never have the time to get it working, and working well. So if you make it I will buy it.
 
What I have in mind would be 100% cloud based except for maybe a little downloadable agent for syncing with consoles or CAD programs. You wouldn't buy a license. You'd just pay a small monthly fee like you would for something like Drop Box or Basecamp.

I've already started by building an online database of venue and equipment specs and now the plan is add the lighting paperwork system on top of it. You can check that out here if you want: http://www.productiongrid.com

It's still early - not ready for prime time yet - but should give you a sense of where things are headed.
 

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