New Mic Packs and Transmitters

I'm not in a position to give you the advice you need, I'm not up to date on the current state of the US regulatory environment and I work in the wrong currency.
Depending on your context and the procurement processes that entails, you may be best served by talking to a reputable dealer in your local area. If you have to go to tender on your purchase though, that will change things, and a consultant, while seemingly expensive in the short term may be able to bring a better long term outcome, AND is probably better at making a business case to your powers that be around the realistic budgets to achieve what is required...
 
If you go w/ BLX, you need to select the BLX4R receivers. The non-rackmount versions rely on a built-in antenna and cannot be connected to do an antenna distribution system. The -R models have BNC's on the backs for connection to an antenna distribution system.

As stated earlier, antennas are manufacturer-agnostic. You can use one manufacturer's distribution amp and antennas with another manufacturer's transmitters and receivers. If you were mixing and matching DA's and antennas you may have to worry about DC bias on the coax cables to power any active antennas or in-line amps but sounds like if you leave your antennas and DA as-is, this is a non-issue for you.

Given the ever changing RF landscape, I would highly recommend going with QLX-D instead because of the high channel count you want. In an ideal RF environment, in the woods, miles from any broadcast stations or UHF cell towers, you can max out BLX at 23 systems if nobody else is on your frequencies. If someone hops into your spectrum as the desperation for available RF space grows in the coming 3 years, you may be stuck with system you cannot use reliably. With QLX-D, you can use up to 60 systems in one band, 129 across multiple bands. You may not ever have any intention of using all of this RF space, but you will have flexibility when the church across the street from you goes out and buys their own 12 channels of BLX. With QLX-D, you can even park a network switch in the wireless rack and use Wireless Workbench on your laptop to run an RF scan and automatically coordinate your frequencies with each other and with any other users in your area.

An investment now is an insurance policy later. Pay less now, risk full system replacement later at the mercy of your neighbors, your regional broadcasters, T-Mobile, and the FCC. You may end up spending the same amount of money either way if your BLX units end up being sacrificial in a couple years and you have to replace them with ZLX (or whatever Shure's newest favorite three letters are), but RF surprises tend to happen when they are not budgeted for.

Re: 600 MHz and re-usability of equipment
In terms of your existing antennas and distribution amplifiers, the only devices that are required to not be capable of tuning into prohibited spectrum are transmitters. It does not matter if your antennas, DA's, or receivers can tune up to 698 MHz. You can reuse them without modification. What you cannot reuse come the conclusion of this 39-month transition period are any existing mic transmitters or PSM transmitters that tune into prohibited spectrum unless they are modified to be band-limited such that they cannot operate in that spectrum. In areas where a new licensee want to start broadcasting in their newly purchased spectrum and there are no other licensed users currently preventing them from doing so, they can begin broadcasting whenever they like and you will have to vacate any existing 614 MHz operations you may have to give them right of way.

As always, regardless of what you do, get a quote. You will almost always receive a better price direct than if you go all "Add To Cart" on Sweetwater's website without talking directly with a sales representative.

EDIT: Threshold of prohibited spectrum really isn't 614 MHz like I previously said. 614 MHz is the lower threshold of this auction but TV 37 has been off-limits for some time already.
 
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Mike: You can't *use* them, even below 608, if they're capable of tuning above 608?

Or you simply *can't use them above 608*?

A separate issue from whether they can be sold or rented...

[ Edited to correct upper limit ]
 
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The FCC Report and Order says that operating any wireless mic capable of tuning the 600 MHz band is illegal after July 13th, 2020. FCC-17-95A1, paragraph 46. Basically, they don't trust users to stay on the correct frequencies, so they want the equipment to prevent illegal operation. They do make an exception for older equipment that the manufacturer has modified to prevent tuning the 600 MHz band, and re-certified under the new rules. In some cases, a firmware update and a new sticker might do the trick. For your reading enjoyment, all 83 pages....
https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-17-95A1.pdf
 
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You will not be able to use or sell transmitters that can operate in prohibited spectrum, whether you tune above those frequencies or not. If you have receivers that can tune up to 698 MHz, that's kosher because they can only listen to what's out there on the airwaves and will not impede the activities of a licensed user. Your belt packs and handhelds and PSM transmitters are what will need some love and band-limiting if you wish to continue using them.

The FCC has a put a framework in place to permit manufacturers to both field and factory-modify transmitters to band-limit them down strictly to unlicensed spectrum. It's possible manufacturers will not implement this across all or even any product lines, but I suspect you'll see the usual suspects offering modifications to the product lines and existing bands that it makes sense to. This presents some logistical issues such as how/if to track which transmitters have been modified and whether to issue new serial/FCC ID stickers, but it sounds like some process will come together and we may see modifications becoming available end of this year.

If the transition goes smoothly and it's 18 months before we see all kinds of 5G cellular devices on the market, the pressure on manufacturers to offer every flavor of backwards compatibility will be less as manufacturers have already been reducing their 600 MHz sales for some time now. In which case we may see modifications more on the higher cost wide-band systems and less so on the consumer grade wireless that would almost certainly require trip to the factory and back to leave you with a system that can't tune to very many frequencies.

If, Apple announces that the iPhone 8 is going to support 5G or something like that happens, then we're off to the races and it'll be a nuclear arms race for networks to get their 5G cell towers online. For the time being though, the target date for 5G going online is 2019 and the only thing keeping T-Mobile from spraying all over anyone every region is that there are no 5G devices yet in the wild except some prototypes. This is just speculation at this time though but Qualcomm's already parading their new chipsets around for this.
 
If you go w/ BLX, you need to select the BLX4R receivers. The non-rackmount versions rely on a built-in antenna and cannot be connected to do an antenna distribution system. The -R models have BNC's on the backs for connection to an antenna distribution system.

As stated earlier, antennas are manufacturer-agnostic. You can use one manufacturer's distribution amp and antennas with another manufacturer's transmitters and receivers. If you were mixing and matching DA's and antennas you may have to worry about DC bias on the coax cables to power any active antennas or in-line amps but sounds like if you leave your antennas and DA as-is, this is a non-issue for you.

Given the ever changing RF landscape, I would highly recommend going with QLX-D instead because of the high channel count you want. In an ideal RF environment, in the woods, miles from any broadcast stations or UHF cell towers, you can max out BLX at 23 systems if nobody else is on your frequencies. If someone hops into your spectrum as the desperation for available RF space grows in the coming 3 years, you may be stuck with system you cannot use reliably. With QLX-D, you can use up to 60 systems in one band, 129 across multiple bands. You may not ever have any intention of using all of this RF space, but you will have flexibility when the church across the street from you goes out and buys their own 12 channels of BLX. With QLX-D, you can even park a network switch in the wireless rack and use Wireless Workbench on your laptop to run an RF scan and automatically coordinate your frequencies with each other and with any other users in your area.

An investment now is an insurance policy later. Pay less now, risk full system replacement later at the mercy of your neighbors, your regional broadcasters, T-Mobile, and the FCC. You may end up spending the same amount of money either way if your BLX units end up being sacrificial in a couple years and you have to replace them with ZLX (or whatever Shure's newest favorite three letters are), but RF surprises tend to happen when they are not budgeted for.

Re: 600 MHz and re-usability of equipment
In terms of your existing antennas and distribution amplifiers, the only devices that are required to not be capable of tuning into prohibited spectrum are transmitters. It does not matter if your antennas, DA's, or receivers can tune up to 698 MHz. You can reuse them without modification. What you cannot reuse come the conclusion of this 39-month transition period are any existing mic transmitters or PSM transmitters that tune into prohibited spectrum unless they are modified to be band-limited such that they cannot operate in that spectrum. In areas where a new licensee want to start broadcasting in their newly purchased spectrum and there are no other licensed users currently preventing them from doing so, they can begin broadcasting whenever they like and you will have to vacate any existing 614 MHz operations you may have to give them right of way.

As always, regardless of what you do, get a quote. You will almost always receive a better price direct than if you go all "Add To Cart" on Sweetwater's website without talking directly with a sales representative.

EDIT: Threshold of prohibited spectrum really isn't 614 MHz like I previously said. 614 MHz is the lower threshold of this auction but TV 37 has been off-limits for some time already.



Thank you! I am actually lokking to increase my budget a little and use the rebate option to get the QLX-D
 
The FCC Report and Order says that operating any wireless mic capable of tuning the 600 MHz band is illegal after July 13th, 2020. FCC-17-95A1, paragraph 46. Basically, they don't trust users to stay on the correct frequencies, so they want the equipment to prevent illegal operation. They do make an exception for older equipment that the manufacturer has modified to prevent tuning the 600 MHz band, and re-certified under the new rules. In some cases, a firmware update and a new sticker might do the trick. For your reading enjoyment, all 83 pages....
https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-17-95A1.pdf
As much as I hate to admit it, yeah, I think people who use this category of equipment are largely appliance operators.

I'm not sure that this permits FCC to make this change, and if someone challenged it as an "illegal taking", I think they'd win, but that's a separate issue, and anyone big enough to a) know that and b) do it, is Clair Brothers, and they're probably turning over their stock every year or two anyways.

(I think FCC is entirely entitled to say "don't operate there", but not to retroactively retract the type acceptance, which is effectively happening here.)
 
As much as I hate to admit it, yeah, I think people who use this category of equipment are largely appliance operators.

I'm not sure that this permits FCC to make this change, and if someone challenged it as an "illegal taking", I think they'd win, but that's a separate issue, and anyone big enough to a) know that and b) do it, is Clair Brothers, and they're probably turning over their stock every year or two anyways.

(I think FCC is entirely entitled to say "don't operate there", but not to retroactively retract the type acceptance, which is effectively happening here.)

Consider that they made every analog TV set in the country go instantly obsolete. They also killed off a lot of radios with narrow banding. Fighting the rule would cost more in lawyers fees than replacing some hardware, and there's a good chance the FCC would win.
 
Well, they did, but they also gave away free converters to make those sets work for the rest of their natural lifetime. And there were lots of sets out there with the new tuners.

In this case, the existing hardware *can support* the new rules; it's merely the FCC trying to reduce it's already nonexistent enforcement/burden, and there's no real way to convert the hardware.

I know what you're saying, but I don't think that's a valid analogy.

Each individual screwee, though, is probably small enough to ignore.

For FCC; perhaps not for manufacturers.
 
It's about money and politics. If the FCC wasn't pulling the strings you can bet the telcos would be lobbying congress until this auction was forced by legislative mandate.

But on the bright side it could've eaten up twice as much spectrum. Now Shure/Senn have at least another 5 years to work on the cure for spectrum cancer before the next round of auctions.
 
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Does anyone know if Shure sells transmitters without capsules on them anywhere? I'm looking at replacing a fair number of SLX's with QLX's, and would like to save some money and re-use capsules on the handhelds.
 
I think that anyone trying to get 7 plus years out of new equipment really (REALLY) needs to go Digital over UHF/VHF. As a major Shure user (almost 150 SLX and ULX in rental) I think QLXD is the "affordable" answer. List is 1200 each, Sweetwater are at $973. On 6 units we could offer 10% less delivered. These will work with your existing antenna distro. For most of us - well me at least - the extra 70% for the ULXD is just a stretch too far.
 
I think that anyone trying to get 7 plus years out of new equipment really (REALLY) needs to go Digital over UHF/VHF. As a major Shure user (almost 150 SLX and ULX in rental) I think QLXD is the "affordable" answer. List is 1200 each, Sweetwater are at $973. On 6 units we could offer 10% less delivered. These will work with your existing antenna distro. For most of us - well me at least - the extra 70% for the ULXD is just a stretch too far.
But to think these bands are immune from the FCC induced problems is simply not true. The problem is "cramming", meaning, as free frequencies are taken away, more and more equipment is being forced into less and less space. This is true with analog and digital. Simply look around at how many other devices are in people's hands and you see the root of the problem. Most newer digital devices really haven't addressed "collision detect", they simply walk to other frequencies. We can all deal with cell phones cutting in and out, but the same would not be acceptable for live performance audio.
 
With the Shure Rebate, you don't have to send the Capsules in, just the transmitter. Then order the new ones with whatever capsule you want.

Also, I love the ULX-D4Q quad receiver in one rack space are awesome! Networkable and Dante Audio out for your future upgrades! Good Luck!
 
Does anyone know if Shure swells transmitters without capsules on them anywhere? I'm looking at replacing a fair number of SLX's with QLX's, and would like to save some money and re-use capsules on the handhelds.
Cartridges are the same across models, but there is no published part number for purchasing a handheld without a cartridge.

I think that anyone trying to get 7 plus years out of new equipment really (REALLY) needs to go Digital over UHF/VHF. As a major Shure user (almost 150 SLX and ULX in rental) I think QLXD is the "affordable" answer. List is 1200 each, Sweetwater are at $973. On 6 units we could offer 10% less delivered. These will work with your existing antenna distro. For most of us - well me at least - the extra 70% for the ULXD is just a stretch too far.

I like the ULXD product myself but I almost always spec QLXD for this reason. ULXD's primary advantages are higher density, smaller form factor for the quad, and Dante. If you're buying 24 systems and that translates into 2-3 Dante stage boxes extra you would need over QLXD, plus analog snakes and rack build-up labor and extra rack space, there can be advantages to ULXD. Even then though, when it's a Yamaha system I've found buying an extra 2-3 Ri8-D's on top of the QLXD's is still more cost-effective than ULXD.
 
As much as I hate to admit it, yeah, I think people who use this category of equipment are largely appliance operators.

I'm not sure that this permits FCC to make this change, and if someone challenged it as an "illegal taking", I think they'd win, but that's a separate issue, and anyone big enough to a) know that and b) do it, is Clair Brothers, and they're probably turning over their stock every year or two anyways.

(I think FCC is entirely entitled to say "don't operate there", but not to retroactively retract the type acceptance, which is effectively happening here.)

The key regulatory language is that currently legal transmitters will lose their "Type Acceptance" upon the implementation of the TV band realignments. Without type acceptance the transmitter is 100% illegal to use in any capacity in the USA.

No domestic manufacturer has indicated they will modify existing transmitters and submit samples to the FCC for new type acceptance.
 
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It's about money and politics. If the FCC wasn't pulling the strings you can bet the telcos would be lobbying congress until this auction was forced by legislative mandate.

But on the bright side it could've eaten up twice as much spectrum. Now Shure/Senn have at least another 5 years to work on the cure for spectrum cancer before the next round of auctions.

Actually this and the preceding Digital TV realignment (that took the 700 mHz band) WAS required by Congressional authority, essentially Congress said "hey, there's a bunch of TV channels nobody is using, auction off 10 year licenses and give us the money."

My shop is in the same boat as most of you - we're unlicensed users (no Part 74 Broadcast Auxiliary Service) and at the mercy of available TV spectrum. This is all so ATT, T Mobile, Sprint and the content providers (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc) can make money off people watching TV, movies and other video content on their mobile phones and tablets. The next time a customer complains about the new, higher price of wireless mic rentals I'm asking if they watch videos on their phone - if they say yes, I'll tell them the rental prices are because of that use of spectrum we used to have access to.
 
The key regulatory language is that currently legal transmitters will lose their "Type Acceptance" upon the implementation of the TV band realignments. Without type acceptance the transmitter is 100% illegal to use in any capacity in the USA.

No domestic manufacturer has indicated they will modify existing transmitters and submit samples to the FCC for new type acceptance.

FCC can revoke a Type Acceptance at random?

Well, *that* sharply impacts the math involved in buying any device for which they require type acceptance, forevermore.

Why can't Republican politicians actually *think*?
 
FCC can revoke a Type Acceptance at random?

Well, *that* sharply impacts the math involved in buying any device for which they require type acceptance, forevermore.

Why can't Republican politicians actually *think*?

As much as I'd like to throw the Republicans under the bus, this was a bipartisan effort that had it's beginnings much longer ago.

And yes, the FCC is obligated to structure regulations in conformity with the laws passed by Congress - in fact the authority to create, modify or eliminate regulations to conform to those laws is usually a direct part of those laws. No regulatory authority can act autonomously.
 
Indeed. Anytime a small organization or citizen gets thrown under the bus in favor of a megacorp, in my experience, it's worth looking around for a Republican politician, but I'll take your word for it.

That said, with the major exceptions of the decommission of AMPS and NTSC, they're not all that prone to this category of Making Serviceable Equipment Obsolete/Illegal, IME. And, as I note elsewhere, for good reason; that fifth amendment bites pretty hard.

And in fact, regulatory agencies act autonomously all the time; that they have experts to tell them how is precisely why they exist... Not 'outside the laws', but that and autonomously are several blocks apart...

But I stand by my implication that anyone buying type accepted gear better price in "the FCC is going to screw me at random before it breaks", in a way that wasn't really that necessary before.
 

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