Lighting position titles

mtodd2qq

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Does anyone have a plot/or has made up a list of what the lighting positions in a theater are call? And this could include alternative names. Example I call side lighting positions in the house Box Booms . But I have a local here in WY calling them Juliet positions, and I worked with someone from California who called them coves. I would like to have something I can hand my students and am hopeful I dont have to reinvent the wheel on this.
 
You don't have to re-invent the wheel. Find what your favorite lighting textbook calls them and call them that. Note that the terms the author uses may well be a determining factor in what your favorite textbook is. (I, and many others here, like Steve Shelley's A Practical Guide to Stage Lighting. One can save significantly by purchasing a used, older edition. It's not likely the names have changed over the years.) Alternatively, there's the WWW. Just find one you agree with and use that. For example, http://stagelightingprimer.com/index.html?slfs-hanging_positions.html&2 .

As to side positions in the auditorium, Box Boom is the most used, whether or not there are actual box seats. Juliet is obviously slang, from that Shakespeare play. (Do not confuse with Juliat.) I've also seen them called House Torms. And in more modern theatres, Slots or Side Slots. Most definitely do not call them Coves, as a cove is a horizontal ceiling position, i.e. FOH, Catwalk, A.P., etc.
 
You don't have to re-invent the wheel. Find what your favorite lighting textbook calls them and call them that. Note that the terms the author uses may well be a determining factor in what your favorite textbook is. (I, and many others here, like Steve Shelley's A Practical Guide to Stage Lighting. One can save significantly by purchasing a used, older edition. It's not likely the names have changed over the years.) Alternatively, there's the WWW. Just find one you agree with and use that. For example, http://stagelightingprimer.com/index.html?slfs-hanging_positions.html&2 .

As to side positions in the auditorium, Box Boom is the most used, whether or not there are actual box seats. Juliet is obviously slang, from that Shakespeare play. (Do not confuse with Juliat.) I've also seen them called House Torms. And in more modern theatres, Slots or Side Slots. Most definitely do not call them Coves, as a cove is a horizontal ceiling position, i.e. FOH, Catwalk, A.P., etc.
@mtodd2qq Writing in full agreement with @derekleffew and adding:
FOH positions, be they coves or booms, number out from the proscenium / curtain line thus Cove or Box Boom 1 is closest to the stage with Cove or Box Boom (BB) 2 further away and so on with 3, 4 and 5. You've got the picture.
Balcony rails normally number from lower to upper keeping track of the number of balconies and the number of rails per balcony. No balcony, dead simple. One balcony; possibly with an upper and lower rail. Once you get into opera houses with 3, 4 or more balconies then add upper and lower rails per balcony, numbering schemes get a little more intense.
Once you're behind the proscenium / curtain line, those most down stage (DS) are #1 and incrementing higher as they get further U/S (Up Stage) Thus: 1st LX (Electric) 2nd LX, 3rd LX and likewise with side booms regardless of whether they're free standing on heavy bases, castered and rolled into position or suspended from the overhead grid. No matter their physicality. Furthest DS = lowest number. Side booms are normally also tagged as Stage Left (SL) or Stage Right (SR) Possibly abbreviated thus: SLB1, SLB2, SLB3, SLB4, etcetera , most often (Particularly in dance / ballet lighting) with mirror imaged mates across stage on the opposite side thus: SRB1, SRB2, SRB3, SRB4 and so on. Other terms may be appended, for example: Booms US projecting beams and patterns across a cyclorama / sky cloth may also be referred to as the cyc booms (SL and SR of course) but they'll also likely still be numbered as the other booms regardless if they're the second boom(s) or the eighth.
Instruments on booms routinely number from top to bottom and I'll leave it for others to confuse you when it comes to the myriad of numbering schemes on booms when you have two or three fixtures at each elevation as you're numbering your way down the booms.
There you go, more than you ever wanted to read on the subject. Have we totally spun your head yet?
Edit 1: Omitted the 'n' from pattern.
Edit 2: Misspelled 'likely' as 'like'.
Edit 3: Incorrectly stated balconies, fingers got ahead of head. (Thank you @derekleffew )
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Ron Hebbard.
 
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Balcony rails normally number from top to bottom keeping track of the number of balconies and the number of rails per balcony.
Really? In every house I've seen, the First Balcony is always the lowest, ignoring Loge, Mezzanine, Dress Circle, and other inventions. Thus BalcRail#1 is on the face of the First Balcony, BalcRail#2 the Second Balcony, and so on.
 
Really? In every house I've seen, the First Balcony is always the lowest, ignoring Loge, Mezzanine, Dress Circle, and other inventions. Thus BalcRail#1 is on the face of the First Balcony, BalcRail#2 the Second Balcony, and so on.
Thank you @derekleffew for catching my brain phart. I've edited my post. If desired, mod's could feel free to delete and clean up the thread.
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Ron Hebbard.
 
And from the pseudo swank elegance of the dual steel milled city of Hamilton, Ontario, Canada in 1973: "Piano Nobile" with French or Italian accents I know neither how to type nor pronounce. (Let's just say it doesn't rhyme with Mobile, Alabama) Thus: The "Piano Nobile" back-lit push button [When selecting stops in the FOH public elevator], the "Piano Nobile" bar AND the "Piano Nobile" lounge where those there to be seen, rather than see, HAD to appear in their latest beaver stoles and elegant skunk-striped winter furs.
Please pardon my irreverent critiques of our esteemed social crowd of the smoke enshrouded city that was Hamilton from between the 1st and 2nd World Wars until well into the seventies and eighties.
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Ron Hebbard.
 
I refer to box booms as Alcoves. Usually in the house L/R orientation. Just to confuse things further...
 
More importantly, is it "house right box boom" or "stage left box boom"?

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I have always used stage left. Simply what I was taught by Broadway designers. Try to avoid ever using "house" left and right. In design and construction quite often append a geographic direction as in "stage left (north)".

Elevation is harder. I just know there will be problems when the stage level is not "+0'-0"" or maybe "+100'-0"". One project used sea level so stage was like +873.789'; so many problems.
 
Well, by me, all lighting is discussed Stage L/R.

Whether your dimmers are numbered from R-to-L or not is up to you; it makes a tidy patch, if you're still down in the handle-per-channel stratum, but otherwise probably doesn't matter much -- my main house *is* Stage R-to-L (making the numbers go up from board-op left to right -- and my secondary house is SL-to-R (so they're 'backwards').

All *sound*, OTOH, is House L/R.

Short version: *NEVER* say "left" or "right" without prefacing it with "Stage" or "House". :)
 
I have always used stage left. Simply what I was taught by Broadway designers. Try to avoid ever using "house" left and right. In design and construction quite often append a geographic direction as in "stage left (north)".

Elevation is harder. I just know there will be problems when the stage level is not "+0'-0"" or maybe "+100'-0"". One project used sea level so stage was like +873.789'; so many problems.
@BillConnerFASTC In complete support and agreement. On a comparatively recent new construction build, the drawings were a total mish-mash of references when it came time to coordinate between the General Contractor, Electrical PEng, Structural PEng and the various trades and sub's. When my employer handed in our "Shop drawings", we appended a chart to our title block coordinating references: Explaining U.S. = Up Stage = North and so on for SR, SL and DS. This was also a project where all elevations were referenced to sea level. We left that one alone and played the game. Our chart was in the title block of every page and every riser: Mic level, Line level, Low impedance speakers, 70 volt speakers, Intercom, Composite video, Component Video, Fibre / Fiber, Cue lights, Lobby systems, Crestron systems, EVERY page. We still had people confusing right and left regardless. I'm with you @BillConnerFASTC , when relating with PEng's, trades and subs; North, South, East, West and even North west WORK'S BEST so long as you don't start confusing them with NNW or SWS. And we still get Imperial / Metric tossed into the mix.
Toodleoo!
Ron Hebbard.
 
Well, by me, all lighting is discussed Stage L/R.

Whether your dimmers are numbered from R-to-L or not is up to you; it makes a tidy patch, if you're still down in the handle-per-channel stratum, but otherwise probably doesn't matter much -- my main house *is* Stage R-to-L (making the numbers go up from board-op left to right -- and my secondary house is SL-to-R (so they're 'backwards').

All *sound*, OTOH, is House L/R.

Short version: *NEVER* say "left" or "right" without prefacing it with "Stage" or "House". :)
@Jay Ashworth I'm in complete agreement with you. When you scribbled SL on the end of the XLR cable I was handing to the video mobile parked in the dock, was it the sub-mix for Stereo Left / Stage Right, or was it Stage Left / Camera Right? It's O.K. 'at Jay' so long as you know when you're being ragged mercilessly.
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Ron Hebbard.
 
I always liked circuit numbers SR to SL, so it reads normally left to right from the rehearsal desk and control room, but think I'm in the minority. Doesn't really matter.
 

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