Powercon prices?

As a low-level bottom-feeder, I'm just glad to have not gone powercon.

I'm guessing I have ~150 cables with IEC on one (or both) ends. It works for me, and should I need another cable, they are readily available.
 
Sorry if my past posts were too many words, too many points I was replying to and a point to make about education and training good but sometimes certain parts fall thru the training in key points. (Why I normally post long messages.) I'll try harder in the future to have less words about important stuff to convey ideas.
@ship this can't be Brian. Who are you really?
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Sorry if my past posts were too many words, too many points I was replying to and a point to make about education and training good but sometimes certain parts fall thru the training in key points. (Why I normally post long messages.) I'll try harder in the future to have less words about important stuff to convey ideas.

Nah...your amount of word were fine. My number off beers was probably too high for the number of words I had to read. Mostly I liked all of your words, I just wanted to comment on a few of them. I agree that training and careful instructions sometimes fall short. My point is that I keep it simple. Give stage hands a Maximum number of fixtures they can daisy chain, and double check their work. Now if I give the same rule to my technicians, I expect that they understand why the rule is there(and the math behind it) or they ask why. Some stagehands will ask why, but most just want instructions.

I tell my technicians not to exceed the current rating of out smallest cable gauge, and for that small group of people I know the training is there. If I told that to most stagehands, crap would be catching on fire left and right. So I say something like, only chain 10 LEDs per circuit. Even when they do manage to only chain 10 together, I'll still have to connect the DMX between each set of ten, or I'll find a new DMX home run to each set of ten. So at least in my world, I have to double check everything anyway.

The same thing goes for IEC cables that are often even thinner like 18ga, or NL4 cables, you can keep linking things until the cows come home, or I yell at you; probably the latter. Now too many boxes on an amp channel probably won't start a fire, but you better believe it's my ass on the line if an amp goes into protect during a show. Blaming stagehands for doing it wrong is not going to make it better; it's still my fault.
 
A late addition to this thread , if ya don't mind. I came close to finding the answer to a question in this thread: SJT cable for powercon leads and extensions. I know the new rule ST mentioned, allowing leads and jumpers up to 2M to be Hard Usage SJ (as opposed to SO) . But I haven't seen any clarification if that is just sjO, or if sjT is also allowable: both hard usage just the different jacket. I know a lot of manufacturers are shipping fixtures with SJT leads, but I dont want to presume anything. Thoughts?
 
Main question I had in dealing with such cables was "idiot proofing the system." Initally such adaptors were supplied with 18-16ga cable, but had a feed thru. My circuit breakers are 20 Amps, so such cables were not sufficient for safety. Since than, some makers have made their primary leads interesting' in at times even 12ga. Sometimes I have let say a SJE type thru. DF-50 fog fluid will eat it alive, but at some point I could not keep in stock enough shop or bought to specification cable to feed the shows. Rule of thumb is a crew chief in knowing his/her job is allowed to use the cable they plan for, and after the show the department manager getting back such cable in later rejecting it when following policy.
Only instances where factory cable is in use, and when a department manager does not follow policy of cable "not of policy" in use. Otherwise it's what we build or buy in specification.

Is it legal? Don't care in, in general my standards as supported and asserted by management overrides what is legal in what we use. "Legal" is per local code as adaption of NEC or their own rules. Don't worry about Legal in a issue like this where if you feel it's correct not to use or accept - your own rules are what's "legal" to use if specied for use in your location. If in your location you specify something cannot be used, or locally in code specify something cannot be used - that's legal if known. If the rental etc. rules of your business specify something is not to be used.. it's than legal. If your City building code specify's something is not to be used, it's now Legal. But in general, if your theater specifies something not to be used in the contract, it's also Legal. Hope it helps.
 
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Sorry, but I'm confused by that second paragraph. "Legal" means permitted by law. An institutions standards do not determine if something legal or illegal. Only laws do that.
 
I think Ship's goal there was "if we say we're not going to use it, then it doesn't matter if it's 'legal' or not."

Yeah, I can see that, but did spell checker change some illegals to legal? "If your City building code specify's something is not to be used, it's now Legal." Not to be used so its legal? And OK to "overrides what is legal" - sure if override only surpasses and not exempt someone from the law.

If the point is that an institution or a client or other entity have standards more restrictive than what laws, I get that. After all, code is just passing - a grade of D - and not necessarily good design by any means.

It wasn't clear to me it said that.
 
Yeah, I can see that, but did spell checker change some illegals to legal? "If your City building code specify's something is not to be used, it's now Legal." Not to be used so its legal? And OK to "overrides what is legal" - sure if override only surpasses and not exempt someone from the law.

If the point is that an institution or a client or other entity have standards more restrictive than what laws, I get that. After all, code is just passing - a grade of D - and not necessarily good design by any means.

It wasn't clear to me it said that.
@BillConnerFASTC Some days translating "Ship-ese" in to North American English requires effort, appreciably more than Spell-check's capable of.
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