Alec Baldwin involved in accidental shooting death on set of "Rust"

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Baldwin and Hannah Gutierrez-Reed have been criminally charged.

It's interesting to note that the police said Baldwin's role as a producer was part of the reason he was charged. Hopefully that means they see this as a top down failure to follow safety protocols and they are not going down the path of actors need to be responsible for gun safety.
 

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Looking at this from an Antipodean perspective, it boggles me. I had an experience a few months ago where we were doing Carmen on an island in the middle of Sydney Harbour (yeah, another Opera Australia outdoor extravaganza!). We had an issue with a harp which meant we had to get a replacement out there (put harp on truck, put truck on barge, go the 500m to the island on the barge, drive truck off barge, unload and swap harps over!) and the same day, Props was taking over a crate of rifles as well. Replica weapons, completely unable to fire anything except blanks. Couldn’t fire live rounds if we wanted them to.

As it happened, it was exceptionally windy that day, so much so that the usual barge wasn’t able to operate and we had to use a smaller one, and even then we were severely delayed waiting for the wind to drop. Because we were delayed, we ended up putting the rifle case in our truck with the harp (couldn’t get both our truck and the props van on the barge, and no time to do a second barge trip) and despite the fact that the case was padlocked and in a locked truck, with the on-site props master waiting on the island to receive them, we had to take the licensed props staff member who was delivering them on the truck on the barge with us, because she physically could not legally let them out of her custody except to hand them over to another licensed staff member (the on-site props master), even for the ten minutes it would take to get across the harbour, and I am pretty sure the police had been notified about the movement of the weapons. The hoops you have to jump through to get a theatrical firearms license here are not insignificant. I can’t help thinking that some sort of licensing requirements in this Rust situation may have saved the DOP’s life.
 

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Looking at this from an Antipodean perspective, it boggles me. I had an experience a few months ago where we were doing Carmen on an island in the middle of Sydney Harbour (yeah, another Opera Australia outdoor extravaganza!). We had an issue with a harp which meant we had to get a replacement out there (put harp on truck, put truck on barge, go the 500m to the island on the barge, drive truck off barge, unload and swap harps over!) and the same day, Props was taking over a crate of rifles as well. Replica weapons, completely unable to fire anything except blanks. Couldn’t fire live rounds if we wanted them to.

As it happened, it was exceptionally windy that day, so much so that the usual barge wasn’t able to operate and we had to use a smaller one, and even then we were severely delayed waiting for the wind to drop. Because we were delayed, we ended up putting the rifle case in our truck with the harp (couldn’t get both our truck and the props van on the barge, and no time to do a second barge trip) and despite the fact that the case was padlocked and in a locked truck, with the on-site props master waiting on the island to receive them, we had to take the licensed props staff member who was delivering them on the truck on the barge with us, because she physically could not legally let them out of her custody except to hand them over to another licensed staff member (the on-site props master), even for the ten minutes it would take to get across the harbour, and I am pretty sure the police had been notified about the movement of the weapons. The hoops you have to jump through to get a theatrical firearms license here are not insignificant. I can’t help thinking that some sort of licensing requirements in this Rust situation may have saved the DOP’s life.
I wish we had more regulations requiring the use of firearms in the US, especially in the case of theater and entertainment. As I understand its very much up to each jurisdiction with some having absolutely no requirements whatsoever. I remember assisting a high school a few years as a consultant which they wanted to use a shotgun on stage just as a visual prop (no rounds whats over). We did the safest thing possible and removed the shotguns ability to fire by removing the firing pin, and plugging the barrel. It was locked in a safe in the fine arts directors locked office and only 2 people had the key to the safe, myself and the fine arts director. It came out of the safe when it was about to go on deck and right back in after it came off.
Then working on a professional touring theater I watched as 6 rifles fully intact were stored in a wooden box behind a cheep lock and a little clasp that could have easily been broken into with no regard to safety apart from at the end of the night being locked up until the next day.
I feel as a community (IATSE and AEA) we could draft up some rules in regard to firearm use and safety that are a requirement for all contracts, instead of just suggestions.
 

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I wish we had more regulations requiring the use of firearms in the US, especially in the case of theater and entertainment. As I understand its very much up to each jurisdiction with some having absolutely no requirements whatsoever. I remember assisting a high school a few years as a consultant which they wanted to use a shotgun on stage just as a visual prop (no rounds whats over). We did the safest thing possible and removed the shotguns ability to fire by removing the firing pin, and plugging the barrel. It was locked in a safe in the fine arts directors locked office and only 2 people had the key to the safe, myself and the fine arts director. It came out of the safe when it was about to go on deck and right back in after it came off.
Then working on a professional touring theater I watched as 6 rifles fully intact were stored in a wooden box behind a cheep lock and a little clasp that could have easily been broken into with no regard to safety apart from at the end of the night being locked up until the next day.
I feel as a community (IATSE and AEA) we could draft up some rules in regard to firearm use and safety that are a requirement for all contracts, instead of just suggestions.
This is exactly what we are doing with the ESTA TSP weapons safety working group which is creating an ANSI standard with all the players at the table. Equity, SAG. IATSE, studios, producers, armorers.

Several of our members here participating on that working group.

And in the US the ATF is very clear as to what constitutes a firearm, and state and federal law apply regardless of it being used as a prop or not.
 

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