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Conventional Fixtures Altman 1KL

Discussion in 'Lighting and Electrics' started by midgetgreen11, Jul 8, 2008.

  1. midgetgreen11

    midgetgreen11 Active Member

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    We have 3 Altman 1KL's in our inventory which, I think work, just don't have lamps that work in them. Are these fixtures worth buying lamps for? they're incredibly heavy, and taking them down from our FOH in a genie was some scary stuff.

    Are they worth the effort? They appear to be extremely complex, maybe I'm just exaggerating.
     
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    Les Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    If they work, sure! They use the same 2-pin lamps as most other ellipsoidals minus the Source Four. Check the lamp bases before you stick new lamps in.
     
  3. Pie4Weebl

    Pie4Weebl Well-Known Member Fight Leukemia

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    oh no, they are total pos's. They are no more complex than any 6x9, but if you are not hurting for fixtures they are not worth your time.
     
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    ship Senior Team Emeritus Premium Member

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    Another paint brush or at least another fixure to pull from when you need more. Lamp them the same as the rest of your Lekos and all should be fine in if not primary choice, secondary choices that in this case can go in any number of focus locations so as to supplement the inventory. Not a door stop, perhaps what I would choose for a primary instument but if available and in need, they will work just fine.

    Obveously inspect the lamp pins and lamp socket, wireing and shine up the mirror and lenses before use or it might be a hazzard.
     
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    MNicolai Well-Known Member Fight Leukemia

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    I just found threw one these out. Our 750 Leko's are twice as bright, and our 575 S4's are 3x as bright, for half of the power. Their output is just terrible.
     
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    Hi everyone, I'm new here...

    This winter I lit a show at a local high school that has a dozen 1KL630s. I ended up replacing them for the run with my own 360Q-6x12s that were fresh from Ebay. The 360Qs were easily twice as bright with the very same lamps. Found out why: 20 years of never-before-cleaned dust on the 1KLs' optics.

    After the show closed, we had a Leko-Cleaning Party with some of the kids.

    The 1KL was clearly designed by an engineer and not an electrician. If you can get the lens carriers apart to clean the inside surfaces, it's an okay light, but I'd rather have me some 360Qs, thank you. Or old Strand Lekos.
     
  7. derekleffew

    derekleffew Resident Curmudgeon Senior Team Premium Member

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    The ONLY advantage of the 1KL series over the 360Q was its UL Listing for a 1000 watt lamp. With the progression of lamp technology since the late 1980s, even that advantage has evaporated. But they're excellent for holding doors open, although in most places that's a fire-code violation.:(
     
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    I'd bet they'd make a VERY attractive table lamp !. More like a floor lamp, the things are huge.

    SB
     
  9. RedmonwantsEOS

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    Genie? You are lucky, I had to take 10 of these beasts down with a friend on the top of a 21' high Little Giant Ladder!
    The ones we have are really old, and the shutters are all melted. They are really heavy, I do not like them. Plus they were being used in a FOH position, but they were a 40 degree beam angle, so they were a really bad choice.
     
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    Taking them down from FOH while in a swaying telescopic genie 25' up is not a fun task. i thought I was going to die.
     
  11. RedmonwantsEOS

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    Still, Id rather have a lift than a ladder. Did you have outriggers on the Genie?
     
  12. derekleffew

    derekleffew Resident Curmudgeon Senior Team Premium Member

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    They can't be really old, as they were only manufactured between 1987 and 1994.

    Here's a tip for next time: With the assistance of a qualified rigger, rig up a sheave and use a rope twice as long as the height. Make the person(s) on the ground do all the work. Never carry anything up or down a ladder--one cannot without violating the "three points of contact" rule. Also, personnel lifts are not supposed to be used for material handling or positioning.
     
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  13. RedmonwantsEOS

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    Well, I guess they arn't THAT old, but I still didn't like them for what they were being used for.
    Good idea on the sheave. I was wearing a harness at the time (but my friend on the other side of the ladder wasn't =p)
    Good point on the lift too, I will have to keep that in mind, as we are expecting to get a lift over the summer...
     
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    By the way, on the Really Old 1KLs, I'll take a 40-year-old Century Leko or a 30-year-old 360/Q over a 15-year-old 1KL any day.
     
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    derekleffew Resident Curmudgeon Senior Team Premium Member

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    Here's the one to get:
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    JLG 20MVL. Grog had a similar one, made by Genie Industries, perhaps this one?

    I wholeheartedly agree, but that wasn't the point.
     
  16. RedmonwantsEOS

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    Ha, I wish I had a say in the equipment that we get. Im pretty sure that we are getting the Genie one, as that is what every other high school in this county (Loudoun) has. The last school to get one...
     
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    My standard response to 1KL threads:
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  18. RedmonwantsEOS

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    Brilliant!
     
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    This would be the one we have. Derekleffew, I don't think that lift would have been tall enough to reach our FOH; we don't have a catwalk.
     
  20. RedmonwantsEOS

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    I believe that is the one that we are *supposed* to be getting, but ours will have the orange fiberglass bucket.
     

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