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Any Guidance on Stage Lighting connectors Is Appreciated

Discussion in 'Lighting and Electrics' started by Raz Thomas, Mar 11, 2016.

  1. Raz Thomas

    Raz Thomas New Member

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    Hello everyone!

    I'm new around and it's actually my first post.

    I hope I came to right place.

    I'm looking to dig up more about the optimum choice in terms of stag pin connectors.

    I'm heard that Bates and Group 5 are among the best out there.

    Do you find these competitive value?

    http://www.atielectrical.com/resource-center/stage-pin-review/
     
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    derekleffew Resident Curmudgeon Senior Team Premium Member

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    20A, 60A, or 100A stage pin connector? Almost everyone around here is familiar only with the 20A, so that's what the Collab. Article at https://www.controlbooth.com/threads/connectors-stage-pin.13565/ entails.

    Also, what's the application? Spending twice as much for the Cadillac rather than the Chevy when it's only driven once a week to church on Sunday mornings may not be prudent. OTOH, one probably doesn't want a Yugo either.
     
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    $3.95/connector isn't so bad. Their non-sale price of $13.95 each is a little extreme, though.
     
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    SteveB Well-Known Member

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    I've been very happy with the Pintech model 20a that Production Advantage sells, $4.95. I use the crimp lug version. In 12 years have not had a failure.
     
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    I mostly see Union Connector, but frankly I haven't seen a 'bad' brand in years.
     
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    I'll gladly take anything that isn't the little square ones....

    Generally we end up buying the Bates brand, I think the strain relief is better then the Union hourglass.. (or at least the version of the hourglass that I have, no idea when they were manufactured.)
     
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    I still see quite a bit of variety on flush-mount / panel-mount stagepin plugs. Bates also offers (offered?) different color caps for their cable connectors, which I didn't see listed on this website.
     
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    Luckily the old Union square connectors haven't been manufactured in at least a decade.
     
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    Thankfully, but I'm sure as with many people, we're still trying to get them out of the inventory.
     
  10. DELO72

    DELO72 Well-Known Member

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    My personal favorite by far are Bates connector with the clear top. It lets you easily see if it is connected correctly, or if one of the wires is pulling free, etc. Once we changed to these, our connector issues all went away.
     
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    Will Elphingstone New Member

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    I second
     
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    microstar Well-Known Member

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    The OP asked the same question over in the ProSoundWeb forum, and one of the answers regarding Bates plugs contained this:
    Hard to believe this is true.
     
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  13. STEVETERRY

    STEVETERRY Well-Known Member

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    1. As far as I know, there is no AIA standard that relates to pin connectors.
    2. Pin connectors are covered by the UL498 standard, UL category code RUFR.
    3. A few years back, the UL498 standard changed to adopt by reference the ESTA/ANSI E1.24 standard for pin connectors.
    4. This adoption required all pin connectors to be reevaluated by UL for dimensional conformity to E1.24.
    5. It is possible that some pin connector manufacturers elected not to conform to E1.24, in which case the UL listing of their connector would have been withdrawn.
    6. I cannot comment on the specifics of Bates connectors with regard to UL listing, since I don't know.
     
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    Guys you have really been helpful with all of these details. I really need to look into it further. Awesome stuff.
     
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    I sent an inquiry to Marinco/Bates, and a technical service person replied: " We did get the bates renewed for the new UL standard."
     
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    STEVETERRY Well-Known Member

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    The UL Online Certifications Directory supports that--it shows a current RUFR listing for Marinco/Bates stage pin connectors.

    ST
     
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