Rosco Laboratories sell, or sold, what you're looking for in 20, 50, & 100 Amp sizes.
Do they have to be Bates brand or are you using that term generically?I'm on the hunt for new Bates connectors but would prefer crimpy ring terminals
Are you sure you don't have that backwards?
Do they have to be Bates brand or are you using that term generically?
Sadly, https://www.controlbooth.com/wiki/Collaborative-Articles:Connectors-Stage-Pin appears to be quite out of date as far as current offerings. Even Union Connector has moved away from ring terminals, offering only barrel or direct crimp.
Some can be really passionate and picky about their pin connectors. What does your friendly local lighting dealer use/recommend?
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Are you sure you don't have that backwards?
When Union made square connectors, it was 2x 90° flag and 1x straight for ground. Above is a much older plug, but the same idea.
@jayvee & @derekleffew Mia culpa. Yes I had it backwards on two points: 2 Flags & 1 especially short straight. ALSO: The male ground contacts are longer, as can be seen in Derek's photo, the female contacts are all recessed the same amount.
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The pin (or socket) is removed, the wire inserted and crimped (x3), and the plug (connector) re-assembled.... Is there a reason for the move away from rings? What is "direct crimp"?
The picture below indicates either: you were not wrong originally or are wrong now. Since this manufacturer uses the same body for both male and female both grounds protrude/are less recessed.ALSO: The male ground contacts are longer, as can be seen in Derek's photo, the female contacts are all recessed the same amount.
The first paragraph mentions the 60 and 100amp, and that we will not be concerning ourselves with same. The 5amp is on the Kliegl Bros. catalog page, and I think 10 and 30amp also.But I didn't see the 5 amp, 60 amp & 100 amp connectors mentioned.
In my shop days I found a U.S. company named Pin Tech who manufactured machined brass male and female contacts for 2P&G connectors. Our shop purchased hundred of them when we built two automated decks for the musical Tommy in Frankfurt and London. The styles we purchased accepted either solid copper or, in our case, stranded copper sheathed in ferrules.This thread got me wondering/thinking about how much market share Union Connector has lost. Until the late 1980s, they were pretty much the only manufacturer of stage pins. I think that's when Rosco, the first major challenger, introduced theirs. Rosco's was a radical new shape, (they call it ergonomic, I call it hour-glass) and UC changed from the square-bodied to hourglass shortly thereafter.
Now, I don't even see stage pin connector s listed on https://www.unionconnector.com/ 's website. Does UC still even make 2P&G s? Who wants to email Rich Wolpert and ask?
I think it is safe to say that Union has withdrawn from the commoditized pin connector market. Once Asian manufacturing targeted this product--game over. Another example of the "ballistic curve" of market leadership.This thread got me wondering/thinking about how much market share Union Connector has lost. Until the late 1980s, they were pretty much the only manufacturer of stage pins. I think that's when Rosco, the first major challenger, introduced theirs. Rosco's was a radical new shape, (they call it ergonomic, I call it hour-glass) and UC changed from the square-bodied to hourglass shortly thereafter.
Now, I don't even see stage pin connector s listed on https://www.unionconnector.com/ 's website. Does UC still even make 2P&G s? Who wants to email Rich Wolpert and ask?
Thanks @jayvee .I emailed Union and they replied that they stopped making stage pin connectors about 8 years ago
The world is clearly moving away from pin connectors. A large theme park company in CA and FL has announced that their new standard is NEMA L5-15 locking-type connectors for 120V applications. And NEMA 5-15 parallel blade connectors are showing up in more and more new entertainment construction specs.Thanks @jayvee .
The fact that it took us this long to notice says something, but I'm not sure what.
Funny that they're going back to twistlock connectors, rather than True1 connectors, which is where the rest of the entertainment world seems to be heading.
FWIW, in my main venue, it's also PowerCon / True1 to L5-20 connectors for power distribution. L5-15's usually get a "only for dimmer doubling!!!" reaction from everyone in town.
No, it's back to a world where it's Christie vs. everyone else. Not that that world ever went away. L6-15, L5-20, whateverittakes.... I think we're going to be back in a world where ...
The NEC would NEVER let that happen. Besides all one has to do is write the voltage on a piece of tape and slap it on the connector.
Then there are 19 contact Socapex's: Are they carrying multi-frequency audio amplifier outputs OR single or three phase power and at what voltage / current?
I emailed Union and they replied that they stopped making stage pin connectors about 8 years ago
Detonated you say? Distributed possibly??Honestly I’m not surprised, I’m sure the sales volume of 2P&G connectors has shrunk a magnitude in the last decade.
As the 2P&G connector has typically detonated dimmed power, with the decline of incandescent sources in commercial entertainment, do you think we’ll ever see the ol’ Stagepin repurposed, or will the remaining stock molder in retirement, destined to live on in community theatres and underfunded schools way beyond their expected service lives?
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