Vintage Lighting Carbon Arc carbons

Discussion in 'Lighting and Electrics' started by WoodyPyeatt, Apr 30, 2013.

  1. music_hic

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    Thanks Derek!!!
    Any chance of finding some spots for parts or one that works for sale any where?
     
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    Before you invest in rehabing some pretty old machines or buying used, consider that in order to operate safely, you need good ventilation if in a closed room/booth, etc. This usually meant a powered room fan venting system with hosing connected to the top exhaust vents on the spots.

    We contemplated donating our old Super Troupers back in 2000 but we're told bad idea due to the operational dangers and potential liabilities.

    I would be looking instead at used follow spots that do not use carbons.

    OR if this is truly the only option for you, find a lighting rental company that's been in business for 50 years and might have parts in stock. Long shot but who knows what's in some basements.

    I can tell you that in the NYC area, which had a lot of rental shops, only a few stocked these (it's a Trouper, as BTW, not a Super Trouper) and they long ago got rid of the units and parts. But as a thought, maybe Altman Rentals in Yonkers, NY. Also maybe Limelight in Mass., or anybody local to you that's been around forever.
     
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    We are an out door show so venting is not an issue with us. We have 9 other small standard spots as well, but nothing can come close to the wonderful light a carbon arc will throw in our pool! We would like to keep as many as we can, years ago all 12 spots where arcs, that would have been a sight to see.
     
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    @SteveB offered some good possibilities.
    Member @DaveySimps from Michigan told of a rental company near him wanting to rent Troupers out not so long ago. https://www.controlbooth.com/threads/carbon-arc-followspots.32767/
    @Les in the Dallas area posted a picture of a ton of Supers abandoned in an arena in Texas--there might have been Troupers in there as well. https://www.controlbooth.com/threads/running-power-around-an-arena.32675/#post-287460
    Search CB for other carbon-arc users. Perhaps all of you should form a club or support system or something.

    "Don't let this happen to your trusty and faithful companions..."
    SuperTrouper_rusty.jpg

    I do occasionally see Strong Trouper s come up for sale on eBay, but they're almost always ridiculously over-priced; I don't think any sane individual would/should pay more than $500 for a fully-functional, pristine model.

    Drop Jack an email; if anyone knows, he does.

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    I haven't seen the topic discussed here, or on any online forum for that matter. This thread might be as good as place as any for me to bemoan the fact that, as of 12/21/15, Strong Electric as we know it (originally of Toledo OH, later of Omaha NB) is no longer. http://syncrolite.com/syncrolite-purchases-strong-lighting-assets/
    Syncrolite's Website is only listing Super Trouper, Super Trouper II, and Gladiator IV as current models. Sad, sad days.
     
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    Correct that a carbon was always a special quality of light, that only xenon comes close too.

    Sad as well as Derek has indicated that Strong is gone, though I hope Syncro keeps the line somewhat alive. Strong spotlights have been about as good a unit to have as a front light as ever built.
     
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    Ah, the Kay Bailey Hutchinson Convention Center (aka, Dallas Convention Center). Might be worth a call, @music_hic , but good luck getting in touch with someone who knows anything. :(

    I was hoping to salvage some old Holophane and Porcelain Enamel fixtures from a prior renovation, but never could get in touch with the right people.
     
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    Thanks Les, maybe luck will be on my side? Dallas is 9 hrs across TX from me but I will be there twice next month. This gives me a good place to start!

    By the way the show I volunteer for has been running since 1936 with just a few missed years. It is 100% run by volunteers.

    I would like to thank all of you for your help so far, it is great to find a resource such as this!!!
     
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    Well, the cat's out of the bag now.



    FF to 5:40 for my favorite part, a whole new dimension to flash 'n' trash.
     
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    You'll also be in the neighborhood of Synchrolite, Vari*lite, and Christie Lites. It might be worth your time to pay them a visit and see if they have any industry veterans who might know of sources/stashes.

    You're welcome. Great to have you here!
     
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    Like the Gladiator and carbon ST design better, with the gel frame assembly on top. Which is why we have Lycian 1293's.
     
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    Always liked the frames at the top. My original Troupers and Supers had them there. There is a trend away from that. One practical reason for front mount frames is that gel life is much greater. Many of the top mount designs put the gel in the optical path where the beam is more focused. I have a Lycian 575 HMI (1209) that is rough on gels. On the flip side, the old supers were top mount but not at a focused beam point so they did ok with gel life.
     
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    ??? I've never seen a Trouper, carbon or xenon, with color anywhere other than on the front.

    BTW, I strongly dislike the "new" boomerang pictured. I understand it makes the luminaire easier to troup, but why should permanent installs suffer? Something weird about the unused frames flopping in the breeze, plus older frames don't fit quite right and jam.
     
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    How many of you classic lighting people remember that large UV rondel for use with carbon arc followspots?
     
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    Yes, just the Supers! The troupers had two booms, the newer ones were self-canceling and the old ones were the slide-booms. (two of mine from 1980)

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    Funny you mention this now. This company is actually looking to get rid of all of theirs by the end of the month. They are getting out of lighting and consolidating to just special effects and audio. Feel free to message me, and I can get you his contact info if you wish. He is a quirky guy, but exceptional about being able to track down old parts.

    ~Dave
     
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    Yup. Trombone out, on a long throw you could then adjust the gap to give you a center hot-spot that would blow away the newer xenon's. Loved the old carbon supers. The upside and downside of that is that the talent of the op would make or break the performance of the spot. You ended up with "star" operators that everyone else had to aspire to be ;)
     
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    Can't say I ever had one shatter while running even with rain, but re-trims did at least two in over the years. Had two spots with metal and six with glass. Glass always seemed a bit brighter, but that may have been the power of suggestion.
     
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