Carbon-Arc Super Troupers

The carbon arc retrofit to Xenon is pretty decent, certainly Strong still makes it, although I have not had to purchase one. I did some service on one not long ago. It certainly beats the hell out of the old carbon arc ... finesse issues among the other negative issues carbon arcs present.

Best of luck!
 
The carbon arc retrofit to Xenon is pretty decent, certainly Strong still makes it, although I have not had to purchase one. I did some service on one not long ago. It certainly beats the hell out of the old carbon arc ... finesse issues among the other negative issues carbon arcs present.

Best of luck!

Maybe my memories are shot, but...

I do not recall Strong ever manufacturing a xenon lamp upgrade for any of their follow spots. A quickie search on their website didn't indicate one either. There was a US company thta sold a retro kit - Xebex or something like that, although a Google of Xebex reveals a Japanese company, that used to make the ColorArc units for Colortran.

The xenon lamp upgrade I recall for a Super Trouper, had a new power supply as well as a different reflector and was, in my opinion a poor replacement for the carbon units. My memory was the lamp wasn't bright enough, 1.6kw maybe ?, and the 2 theaters I encountered while on tour that used them, were not all that happy with them and I chose not to purchase the upgrade (late 80's) based on mediocre recommendations at the time.

So are my memories scrambled ?.

Steve B.
 
There were several version on the market but I don't think any of them were built by Strong. I don't remember changing the reflectors on mine. (I had metal reflectors, quite heavy.) I think it was recommended if you still had glass reflectors.

I don't remember them being that bad, but I don't remember them being 1.6k. I thought the 1.6k kit was for the Strong Troupers (smaller model) and the 2k was for the Super. I do remember the strange magnet that had to be installed to stabilize the arc. I remember converting two of them, but 6 months later I sold that part of the business.

Considering that barely a month goes by between "Super Trouper" threads appearing, maybe it should be made a permanent thread! :)

We all have fond Super Trouper stories to tell! After all, it was such a standard of the industry, it was in most boiler plate tech riders with a blank space to fill in the number requested!
 
Here is the ad for the most famous Xenon "upgrade kit," from mid 1980s Theatre Crafts.
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In 1991, a casino showroom here in Las Vegas had one of these and one carbon-arc unit. The carbon-arc unit appeared brighter and had a different "quality of light," as we have discussed previously. The carbon-arc unit was subsequently replaced with a "real" Xenon Super Trouper, which was about 150% brighter than the conversion unit (0.3+0.15 ND taped on the front to get them to match).

The history of Strong International is well documented, including the birth of the Super Trouper in 1956, in the book: The Followspot Guide, by Nick Mobsby. Entertainment Technology Press, 2007.
 
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I still think its funny that ABBA wrote a song about them.

Supapa Toupapa
Lights are gonna find me, shining like the sun...

Why do I even know that lyric.
 
Yep, on the roof of Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburg for the Beach Boys circa late 70's.

The story was often told at my college of the time we hauled 6 count 'em 6 Galdiators, up the STEPS of the Press booth, to the roof and then set up and operated them for a Beach Boys concert, In Summer, In Oklahoma. Then the LD, < a decidedly prickish little English guy> < God, I hope he's not a member here.> Starts complaining about playing, "....These piss-ant little one horse towns..." Then came the topper, when he really started bitching he created the line for which he became famous at our little school, " I ain't doing an F-ing thing 'till I get a F-ing Beer and it better be an F-ing Heineken." all this on Headset. He was a joy.
I like the Gladiator, as long as I don't have to set it up. :rolleyes:
 
Here is the ad for the most famous Xenon "upgrade kit," from mid 1980s [

Thanks for finding this, Derek

I don't actually recall anyone else making conversions, but this one I do remember.

Steve B.
 
a decidedly prickish little English guy

Yea, there were a lot of them! I remember a gig, I think at the Allentown fairgrounds where the union crew got so sick of the LD, the cut the com cable! I think it comes from touring your guts out until you are just burned out and mad at the world.


Super troupers made it into a number of songs, the one running through my mind has lyrics (paraphrased due to neuron death):
"Under the hot lights, where the Super Trouper shines, you got to keep your love, keep your love alive."

The kit shown above, fitted into a regular Trouper, was the one often found in Lighting Dimensions magazine. The kits I got were different. I think I got them through Bash lighting in NJ at the time. Not all that different. Light output seamed as bright, but "thinner" as in not as strong a spectrum. (some colors, especially reds, were weak compared to the carbon arc.) The big problem was that you had to keep the heavy transformer mounted in the base (old style) for stability, and now you were also carrying around and equally heavy ballast box too!
 
LightStud,

Not sure if this is allowed (so I will beg forgiveness instead of permission) but you can check out the auction at eBay item # 130250161583, and yes shipping will be a beast on these. There are several good pictures for those who are not familiar with Troupers............
 
I love this site!!!!

Where else can you get a flashback like this with the Supers?

My last time to use one was in the late '80s in San Antonio, Texas. The unit was so worn out that the automatic carbon feed was dead, so for the entire show, I had to hand crank the carbon feed. What fun!
 
What a beautiful pair! If it wasn't that they weigh half as much as the planet, I would be tempted! ;)

Anyway, on the bright side they have the newer style bases with the separate transformers so a xenon conversion would be easier. BTW, I am told the old power supplies make great DC welding supplies for smaller jobs!

Good luck with the sale!
 
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Agreed. Those have to be the newest carbon-arc units I've ever seen. Quite likely they were some of the last off the line in 1981. According to Strong, in 1978 the production ratio of Xenon Super Troupers to carbon-arc Super Troupers was one-to-one.
 
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can you get me a shipping quote to 77041? PM me the details. I may keep these around for out door shows :). They cant be more than the 10 cybers i had shipped from california the other day :).
 
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can you get me a shipping quote to 77041? PM me the details. I may keep these around for out door shows :). They cant be more than the 10 cybers i had shipped from california the other day :).
Not sure if you are joshing regarding the freight quote - If you are serious, I would point you to the auction and ask that you use the links there to request info. It was not my intention to pimp the auction on this forum. I originally came looking for info / opinions on the spots and then put the auction site out there so folks could see what everyone was reminiscing over. Thanks!
 
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Not sure if you are joshing regarding the freight quote

I doubt he is joshing. It's like buying a 63' Corvette. Sure, you're going to make some use of it, but the primary reason isn't the practicality, it's just cool to have one!

I had to stop myself from measuring off floor space yesterday ;)

I'd PM him the quote!
 
A company I use to work for out of Boston had 6 or 7 Arc Trooper in the basement. god those things were ancient . . .
right out of the 70's. They looked like old military rocket launchers lined up along the basement wall. Almost like out dated robocops ready to lurch to life with a flip of the switch.
Didn't you have to were like Eye protection to operate one of those?
gp
 
Calling something "ancient...right out of the 70s" is NOT a good way to make friends with the elder generation of Control Booth Members, gpdesigner. Assuming you've read all of the posts of the thread, you'd realize that many have nostalgic memories of the Carbon-Arc Super Trouper.

No, the Carbon-Arc required no more eye protection than is currently required with today's Xenon Super Trouper, or any other discharge light source, as used in 90% of Moving Lights. I suppose IF one operated the carbon-arc fixture with the lamphouse door open, which would require defeating the safety switch, one would be exposed to more UV radiation than other arc sources, as there would be no glass to filter it.

As for size and appearance, there's not a lot of difference between today's models and the Super Trouper of 1956.
 
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Calling something "ancient...right out of the 70s" is NOT a good way to make friends with the elder generation of Control Booth Members, gpdesigner. Assuming you've read all of the posts of the thread, you'd realize that many have nostalgic memories of the Carbon-Arc Super Trouper.


I read through the posts, I don't think what I said was alienating . . . . I would think techies have a thicker skin than that. I think my post was meant as my colorful interpretation of an old inanimate production piece made in the same vein as this one . . .


and would turn the antique boat anchor into something that would compete with a $10,000 spot these days. Food for thought...


or this one . . . .


It certainly beats the hell out of the old carbon arc ... finesse issues among the other negative issues carbon arcs present.

Yes, derekleffew I read all of the posts and that is cool that people have fond memories of the Arc Spot, and doing shows . . hanging off the high steel or purched on catwalks . . . . . I am not trying to take away from that,
how can I . . . . . . . . . ?

and if they don't like me because I made a colorful post . . . oh well!
gp
 

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