Posts in this thread prior to 01/14/08 were pruned from this thread: http://www.controlbooth.com/forums/lighting/10638-new-light-board-high-school.html, so continuity may be somewhat lacking. -DL Alex You have to explain to me how it's faster to refer to a magic sheet, then key in "Channels 1 - 5 @ F" then simply moving faders for Channels 1 thru 5 to full, especially when you have a piece of tape under the faders labeled "Fnt Wrms" or some such (or a nice Ion LCD display) There is NO way a keypad is ever going to be faster at the job of initial build up of looks and cues for the basic, but ESSENTIAL lighting that is not exclusively moving lights or the more complicated accessories for static fixtures, provided the desk has enough manual faders to get the job done, or the show is designed around the manual fader capacity of the desk. This The reason consoles went to keypad entry was the impracticality of having more then about 70 or so faders in a convenient and easy to reach layout. Once consoles moved into the hundreds of channel numbers, then a keypad became the better choice. And keypads become essential when you need to edit a recorded look. I admit to feeling like a Luddite here in my opinions of the need for consoles that have manual capabilities. I really hope that such consoles don't disappear, as my job gets more difficult when that happens. Steve B.