CMY Mixing on Hog 2

DarSax

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Hey guys, I'm getting my rental gear in for my Talent Show next week, and I'm renting a Hog II, and wouldn't you know it, every intel in my rig has CMY.

My rental house doesn't carry those boards with the little color spectrum/wheel/thing and mouse so you can visually select the color, and the Hog itself only has the very awkward value wheels to select the C, M, and Y values.

Any tips on how to make getting the color I want easier? Right now, the best I can think of is to load up a show on MaxxyzPC, and then on the computer select the color I want, look at the values (I'm hoping they're displayed), and then use the Hog's wheels to get to that color. It's a bit convoluted, but I'd think less awkward then playing with the wheels until finally you get to your color.

Thoughts? Thanks.
 

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there should be several preset colors. you can create your own color pallates but i think on swatch books the values are there and you can reference them or reference them in some lighting software....just a guess. i know when i was programming a hog, someone else was telling me what they wanted and just said that looks good....lol
 

DarSax

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The preset colors in the Hog are, as far as I can tell, just the colorwheel colors. I realize you can set pallettes, but I'm talking about getting to those colors.

Swatch books, though?
 

DarSax

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I do not...but one of my associate designers just might. Thanks for the tip, that's probably a lot easier than setting up a Maxxyz or something!
 

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The key to mixing CYM on a Hog II is to have at least one of every fixture in your rig up and running (this applies only if you are dealing with a shop situation); grab one of you units send it to 50/50 in open white. Then press the colour button and mix your colour. If you are dealing with a whole rig then you can just copy the colour information form that one unit to the rest of your units. Then you can just store it in your pallet and rename it to what ever you what.
 

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Um... So... I hate to ask this... but whatever happened to mixing by color theory?
Amen to that. We had VL-3000's for our dance concert this past fall, and all of the CMY was done off encoders, no color picker involved. Just think of the CMY wheel in your head, remember your Lighting 101 color theory, and spin those encoders!
 

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1. Would help if I had ever learned color theory, and I don't think I have time before next week.
2. Would help if I had more than like, 2 days to program.

But yeah....I'll have to learn, at some point.
 

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from what I have found most color pickers are less than great. I was demoing a marquee console a while back with a VL1000 and the "gel matching" abilities of the board were less than stellar. We ended up using a board to manually mix colors and once you get the hang of it its fairly easy to mix quick.
 

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Well gel pickers are never going to be accurate because of two things. One matching a gel with CMY is near impossible because either you can’t really mix a good red or a good blue with CMY. Second its all perception.

So the key is to use a colour picker not a gel matcher. You pick lets say green and then you chose your saturation so lets say a light green. Then you must go to the CMY settings and manually adjust till its a pretty colour.

Sitting there and calculating what makes a mint green colour or just tapping the mint green colour are two different processes that have the same out come. There is no different out come for either of the two but time difference. If you care about how much time it takes to program which in some VERY RARE situations you don’t. Then you will learn to love the colour picker.

I don’t know about the Marquee console other then the 20 min I had to stare at it and pass judgment. I did not like the console I felt like it was not up there with the other touring boards so I would not be surprised if there colour picker calc’s were slightly off.

Now to give the Marquee some creditability. It is possible that the fixtures you were using were old... If they are you dichroics can be faded cracked or a bit off. If that’s the case no wonder you were getting off colour’s. So there are a myriad of factors that come to play you cannot just blame the colour picker right off the bat.



JH
 

Jezza

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I second and third what has been said. Color pickers are great, and even though you might not get exactly the color you want the first time, moving your finger or the mouse over a little to get the right one beats out mixing every color w/ the wheels. HOWEVER, I am just as fast w/ encoders as I am w/ a color picker. I know that one half spin of the Cyan wheel and one 3/4 spin of the Magenta wheel will give me something pretty **** close to R68, or 1/4 on the Magenta full on the Yellow gets me pretty close to R04 It's all what your used to.
 

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Now to give the Marquee some creditability. It is possible that the fixtures you were using were old... If they are you dichroics can be faded cracked or a bit off. If that’s the case no wonder you were getting off colour’s. So there are a myriad of factors that come to play you cannot just blame the colour picker right off the bat.
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Eh it was a fixture a vari*lite rep brought us to demo so I assume it was fairly new.

Though I did like the console though, I think its very well situated for theatre use, still prefer the hog, but the marquee is better for movers than say and expression.
 

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Save these for later, these will get you started (they're made for a 2k Perf but at least it's a starting point for everything else)...

Order is Cyan (Blue) - Yellow (Amber) - Magenta,

Steel Blue - 54 00 29
Lt Blue - 73 00 53
Med Blue - 88 00 64
Dk Blue - 100 00 71
Congo - 100 00 100

Lt Lavender - 65 00 65
Lavender - 72 00 74
Dk Lavender - 78 00 82
Purple - 82 00 100

Face Pink - 00 00 47
Lt Pink - 31 00 54
Med Pink - 31 00 65
Dark Pink - 52 00 76
Magenta - 00 00 100
Cherry - 00 61 100

CTO - 00 59 48
Bastard Amber - 00 59 48
Lt Amber - 00 81 59
Yellow - 00 100 45
Dk Amber - 00 92 65
Orange - 00 98 69
Red - 00 100 100

Cyan - 100 00 00
Aqua - 97 51 00
Teal - 97 76 00
Green - 100 100 00

-j
 

DarSax

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Has anyone else had problems getting a good primary blue with CMY? I really like the dichroic blue that's included, but I can't get a good blue with CMY, everything looks muddy or purple...