Coemar's new release Reflection LEDko
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kiwitechgirl
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There's not much information published about this fixture yet so I've been unable to find out some of the more technical details on it, but I'm curious if they brought over the water-cooling they used on their wash fixture in the Reflection series, and if like those wash fixtures, the profiles cannot be pointed straight down.
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smigit2002
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I spoke with Coemar's dealer in the States.
Apparently when Coemar says there are "various angles available," they currently mean that you can purchase it with either a 26* lens, a Fresnel style or a PC style barrel. You can use the shutters in all configurations, but obviously you may need the extra control provided by the barndoors for the PC and Fresnel.
He says that there is no water cooling, just a "tiny fan that rarely comes on."
All in all, looks like it could be a cool toy. I'd love to see one with zoom optics, but that's just me.
Apparently when Coemar says there are "various angles available," they currently mean that you can purchase it with either a 26* lens, a Fresnel style or a PC style barrel. You can use the shutters in all configurations, but obviously you may need the extra control provided by the barndoors for the PC and Fresnel.
He says that there is no water cooling, just a "tiny fan that rarely comes on."
All in all, looks like it could be a cool toy. I'd love to see one with zoom optics, but that's just me.
shiben
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Or something other than a 26º beam, but thats just me.
smigit2002
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Beat me to it, Derek.
The fixture's looking better every minute. Now if only we could get some photometrics...
The fixture's looking better every minute. Now if only we could get some photometrics...
jglodeklights
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That would explain why their website doesn't show any images of the front of the unit! If this is true what we are seeing, you would be able to use one LED unit for a variety of purposes, while getting full color changing ability. In my theater I can imagine having 34 of these, 4 of which would be equipped with Irises and on Apollo right arms, replacing over 80 conventional units. That's a lot of power saved, a lot of set up time saved. WOO Also easier to get those hemp lines up without 12 circuit mult on it!
CoemarNA
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The photoMetric data is on the Led Source web site
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I have seen this unit in person and I'm not being bias. It is a true quality of light that you get from a flat field that is like no other light. I look at the photo metrics of etc and compared and i know all the manufacturers do different things with photo metric. I know the Source 4's lammed from my local rental house were not new lamps and not giving me the same reading as the photo metrics on the etc site, I can guaranty that. The out put is impressive. Basically you would use the 32 k as a key light as its out put is the closet (about 15%) to the S4 575w. the Full spectrum is = to S4 750w in color( Kills it). The veri White I would see used more in studios but not solely.
As for the different optics. There is a patten on the Shutter before the Fresnel and pc lens that Coemar holds, and what that gives you is a really nice grainy falloff without the Barndoors. There are a lot of options to design from.
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I have seen this unit in person and I'm not being bias. It is a true quality of light that you get from a flat field that is like no other light. I look at the photo metrics of etc and compared and i know all the manufacturers do different things with photo metric. I know the Source 4's lammed from my local rental house were not new lamps and not giving me the same reading as the photo metrics on the etc site, I can guaranty that. The out put is impressive. Basically you would use the 32 k as a key light as its out put is the closet (about 15%) to the S4 575w. the Full spectrum is = to S4 750w in color( Kills it). The veri White I would see used more in studios but not solely.
As for the different optics. There is a patten on the Shutter before the Fresnel and pc lens that Coemar holds, and what that gives you is a really nice grainy falloff without the Barndoors. There are a lot of options to design from.
CoemarNA
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I can confirm it is like a reto-fit for the S4 plus some extras AKA.... THE HOLY GRAIL
For new installs and retrofits, it can be comparable and sometimes significantly cheaper to buy high-quality LED fixtures and use existing power sources. It sounds expensive because the price is so visible, but remember that all of these other costs go into turning your power-hungry incandescent fixtures on:
+ Cost of upgrading the electrical service to a building
+ Cost of a dimmer rack and modules
+ Cost of installation of dimmer rack, modules, and wiring
+ Cost of electrical raceways and power distribution
+ Consumables: Lamps, Gels, Gobos
The average theatre that's already got a 300-circuit dimming system in place won't see much ROI on LED fixtures if their intention is just to save money by not having to replace lamps and gels. On the other hand, facilities can really see some great ROI when it comes to either installing LED fixtures with minimal power and DMX distribution instead of upgrading their electrical service to make way for 400A/3phase for a couple new dimmer racks and all of the electrical contracting that goes into installing a dimmer rack and wiring the circuits up.
By the way -- the fastest way for a small community theatre to stop expanding their dimming systems is when they're told they need to have the service coming into the building upgraded before they can add any power on stage for event just a handful of shoebox dimmer packs. The cost of having a service upgraded can be enough to put a community theatre six feet under.
We're used to thinking that it's a $300 Incandescent ERS versus a $2000 LED ERS, but there are a lot of other costs that go into keeping the lights on for a decade beyond just the costs of the fixtures.
So on one hand, the price can be scary because it's much higher than theatre people are used to, but on the other hand, there are far fewer surprises in the dollar amounts for pricing out an LED system than for an incandescent system. At $2000 a fixture though, you need to have far better reasons to buy LED fixtures over incandescent fixtures than "it saves energy," because yes, it sort of does, but you'll never make up the other $1700/fixture over incandescents by shaving a few cents off of your electric bills each month.
jglodeklights
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50000 / 300 X $17 =$2667
This is the amount you can potentially save using LED Fixtures in lamp cost before the LEDs go, give or take depending on your preference of brand of lamp, supply cost in your area, etc. I use 300 hours because most LED ERS profile units are coming with lumen outputs comparable to an HPL 575 standard life- about 16000. Using 2000 hour lamps will result in only $400 in savings. However, keep in mind that with color mixing LED's you can cut any two color washes to one unit. This means the potential to almost double savings on lamps.
Two Cents I have: LED's returns can vary widely.
This is the amount you can potentially save using LED Fixtures in lamp cost before the LEDs go, give or take depending on your preference of brand of lamp, supply cost in your area, etc. I use 300 hours because most LED ERS profile units are coming with lumen outputs comparable to an HPL 575 standard life- about 16000. Using 2000 hour lamps will result in only $400 in savings. However, keep in mind that with color mixing LED's you can cut any two color washes to one unit. This means the potential to almost double savings on lamps.
Two Cents I have: LED's returns can vary widely.
CoemarNA
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I believe that most of the country knows the saving involved in LEDs and the whole green scenario. We see the trend in our retrofit department its not as hard of an ROI sell anymore its more of the tune of CRI, Color Temp and more design approach.
The Real up side to the LEDko adding to what MNicolai has already said is no more changing of the Gel
No bench focus
No need for Rosco, Apollo, and Gam's expencive gobos as you can print gobos on any standard printer.
Not as much use of cable due too daisy chaining (power con) up to 16 fixtures @208
And the biggest one the group of fixtures you use for todays theatrical performance, change the optics and do a presidential debate with a full Fresnel front wash.
As for Cost if you invested $2800 for one light engine and 2 optics equaling 3 different types of lights thats only $933.00 a light. Now thats a real deal.
The Real up side to the LEDko adding to what MNicolai has already said is no more changing of the Gel
No bench focus
No need for Rosco, Apollo, and Gam's expencive gobos as you can print gobos on any standard printer.
Not as much use of cable due too daisy chaining (power con) up to 16 fixtures @208
And the biggest one the group of fixtures you use for todays theatrical performance, change the optics and do a presidential debate with a full Fresnel front wash.
As for Cost if you invested $2800 for one light engine and 2 optics equaling 3 different types of lights thats only $933.00 a light. Now thats a real deal.
CoemarNA
Member
Our CEO Marcel at LED Source sums up what a LEDko is in one of his latest blog.
There’s a quiet lighting revolution coming… you ready? « The Captain’s Blog
This really out lines the Revolution........
There’s a quiet lighting revolution coming… you ready? « The Captain’s Blog
This really out lines the Revolution........
As for Cost if you invested $2800 for one light engine and 2 optics equaling 3 different types of lights thats only $933.00 a light. Now thats a real deal.[/QUOTE]
I know this is a brand new item and not yet for sale, but it seems as though you are giving us a ballpark figure for what they will sell for, around $2800 with 2 sets of optics, is that true?
Of course I must take exception with your statement about getting "3" lights for that price. NOT SO! It is one fixture that I can change optics on. One pool of light at a time, not 3. Just like a traditional ERS with changeable barrels. Nice try though.
Regards,
Bob
I know this is a brand new item and not yet for sale, but it seems as though you are giving us a ballpark figure for what they will sell for, around $2800 with 2 sets of optics, is that true?
Of course I must take exception with your statement about getting "3" lights for that price. NOT SO! It is one fixture that I can change optics on. One pool of light at a time, not 3. Just like a traditional ERS with changeable barrels. Nice try though.
Regards,
Bob
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