Control/Dimming Crimp stage pin connectors. Reusable?
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If it's the ones I'm thinking of, no, they aren't reuseable. I'm not sure if you could get pins, and if you could, you'd also need the proper indent tool.
theatricalmatt
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theatricalmatt
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Oddly, I was picturing the crimped sleeves typically used on Bates / Marinco plugs, rather than the flag lugs used on Union Connector plugs (among others).
No.
Yes.
Probably. Provided the cost of three pins is less than an entire connector of another brand. I have no idea how much the pins are, nor where to look for them. PLUS, the cost of the proper crimp tool, which I guarantee is not inexpensive, unless one is installing thousands of plugs.
And now you have. Many assemblers (including ETC, IIRC) prefer to use this type. I'm pretty sure I don't approve.
As was I, so we're both either wrong or right.
Sorry, I think this is a bad idea. Please use the connectors as designed.
Dionysus
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First I believe you can specify with ETC crimped verses ferrul terminal plugs on request. If not - request them un-terminated because yes once crimp terminated it's useless.
That said.. a ferrule terminated stage pin plug obviously with a 12ga ferrule and 16ga wire in won't center the wire properly, and that 12ga ferrule will with screw put into it cut thru the ferrule while sinking down to the 16ga wire. It's going to score or cut conductors.
Analize that concept in why or how it happens.
16ga wire folded on itself.. 16+16=13ga. Electrical math any two same gauge wires into the same hole equal three sizes larger in gauge. Except that the bend/fold in the front of the wire probably will prevent a fold in a 16ga heat wire to fit into a 12ga ferrule unless you trimmed away a few strands on the folded back size. That's how I would do it on site.
Problem in 16ga wire working properly with a 12ga ferrule with 16ga wire.
What if instead of folding wire back - time consuming etc... you were to buy insulated 16ga ferrules and insert the wire into them, than insert the 12ga un-insulated wire ferrule over it? You now have two pieces of metal ferrule to center the wire on the screw now with two plates of ferrule metal being screwed into it to prevent that screw cutting thru all the metal. (Side note, a 14ga un-insulated furrle fits also in more metal between screw and wire, but two ferrules is normally enough).
This is the standard I have established at work and it has worked well without question for almost 20 years now.
That said.. a ferrule terminated stage pin plug obviously with a 12ga ferrule and 16ga wire in won't center the wire properly, and that 12ga ferrule will with screw put into it cut thru the ferrule while sinking down to the 16ga wire. It's going to score or cut conductors.
Analize that concept in why or how it happens.
16ga wire folded on itself.. 16+16=13ga. Electrical math any two same gauge wires into the same hole equal three sizes larger in gauge. Except that the bend/fold in the front of the wire probably will prevent a fold in a 16ga heat wire to fit into a 12ga ferrule unless you trimmed away a few strands on the folded back size. That's how I would do it on site.
Problem in 16ga wire working properly with a 12ga ferrule with 16ga wire.
What if instead of folding wire back - time consuming etc... you were to buy insulated 16ga ferrules and insert the wire into them, than insert the 12ga un-insulated wire ferrule over it? You now have two pieces of metal ferrule to center the wire on the screw now with two plates of ferrule metal being screwed into it to prevent that screw cutting thru all the metal. (Side note, a 14ga un-insulated furrle fits also in more metal between screw and wire, but two ferrules is normally enough).
This is the standard I have established at work and it has worked well without question for almost 20 years now.