Daylight temp. lamp for a PAR64 fixture

[Reggie]

Sorry to have wasted so much of you guy's time, this thread has really gotten of track.

I tried to keep the post simple, shoestring budget, PAR64 lamp, daylight color temperature, does it exist?
I think I also posted that I was helping someone else out with their project, renting the "proper" equipment was out of the question. An ARRI M18 would have done the job, $275 for the rental doesn't exist. No one with half a brain is going to loan someone their HMI lighting equipment.
Throw distance not too relevant, fixture(s) would be seen could be positioned for optimum effect, light beam flagged and shaped as necessary.
Likewise buying material and building something, be it a homemade fluoro fixture with daylight tubes, also out of the question. Not going to happen for something that's needed only once and with the budgetary constraints.

If the fabled daylight PAR64 globe existed, it would have been the solution. Person owns or has access to the PAR cans. PAR bulbs could possibly be rented at someplace like Shadowstone.

Thanks to everyone who contributed.

 

[ship]

I think the early posters nailed the answer to the post for the most part in especially their kudo’s. This in re-read up until you said the CTB gels reduced output too much.
Just checked a Rosco E-Colour swatch book, #201 Full C.T. Blue, it in going from 3,2K to 5,7K. It doesn’t list a transmisition reduction percentage. In quick color blind eyes look, it’s similar to Roscolux #364 Blue Bell with 32% transmission. I see your problem but also wonder if even similar in looking at the sample, if actual spectrum of light transmission is the same and CT gel is the same as gel or not in not listing transmission ratios perhaps because they also transmit the other parts of the spectrum.
Don’t know. Should be simple but perhaps not.

Interested in Regies’ “Bounce” type of lighting I have not read up on the concept of unless it shining against a color in a really old concept. Wondering if it’s the same re-tasked concept as the 1931 “Fortuny System” as published in 1931 in “Theater Art” by Victor D’Amico. This as a concept.

Overall, lively discussion and debate that at least I have learned from in sorry no easy answer but good to bring up in learning from. Thanks for posting it and guiding us even if it didn’t work out to the answer looked for. Photo of the PAR 64 lamp looks like a snowball. One vendor that perhaps still could make such a lamp is Venture. Doubt it, but below is what lamp notes I have on such lamps if of help. Note: = (ballast type)

-MP70wuPAR64/3K/25 Venture #60378 PAR 64, Diffused MH. SE. HID NFL 25̊, Open Fixt 70 w PAR64 MOL 6" EMEP “Uni-Form” (M98) Univ. Burn (CRI 65) 3,200̊K 29,000 Cand 3,000hr

-MP100wuPAR64/3K10 Venture #22514 PAR 64, MH. SE. HID NSP 10̊, Open Fixt. 100 w PAR64 MOL 6" EMEP “Uni-Form” (M90) Univ. Burn (CRI 65) 3,200̊K 128,100 Cand 3,000hr

-MP150wuPAR64/3K15 Venture #22648 PAR 64, MH. SE. HID SP 15̊, Open Fixt. 150 w PAR64 MOL 6" EMEP “Uni-Form” (M102) Univ. Burn (CRI 65) 3,200̊K 106,250 Cand 6,000hr

-MP150wuPAR64/3K30 Venture #51032 PAR 64, Diffused MH. SE. HID FL 30̊, Open Fixt. 150 w PAR64 MOL 6" EMEP “Uni-Form” (M102) Univ. Burn (CRI 65) 3,200̊K 51,700 Cand 6,000hr

-MH250w/U/PAR64/20 Venture #22754 PAR 64, Diffused MH. SE. HID SP 20̊ Enclosed Fixt. 250 w PAR64 MOL 6" EMEP (M58) Univ. Burn (CRI 65) 4,000̊K 117,000 Cand 3,000hr

-MH400w/U/PAR64/30 Venture #93514 PAR 64, MH. SE. HID FL 30̊ Enclosed Fixt. 400 w PAR64 MOL 6" EMEP (M58) Univ. Burn (CRI 65) 4,000̊K 120,000 Cand 3,000hr

-SPL1000/PAR64840 G.E. #29333 (99-1222CSI) PAR 64, MH. HID NSP 6̊ 1 Kw PAR64 MOL 6.87" G 38 Universal Burn (CRI 80) 4,000̊K 1,350,000C/63,000L 3,500hr

-CSI 1000/PAR64 Thorn PAR 64, SE. MH. HID NSP 6̊ 1Kw/240v PAR64 G 38 (CRG 2) 4,000̊K 1,350,000 Cand 3,500hr

-99-1225 CID G.E. #30360 (?disc.) PAR 64, MH. HID NSP 8̊ 1Kw/77v PAR64 MOL 175mm G 38 Nitrogen O.Bulb, Burn Horz ±90̊ (CRI 85) 5,500̊K 850,000 Cand. 1,500hr

-SPL1000/PAR64/HR G.E. #29336 (99-1422CSI) PAR 64, MH. HID HR. NSP 6̊ 1 Kw PAR64 MOL 6.87" G 38 Universal Burn (CRI 80) 4,000̊K 1,350,000C/63,000L 3,500hr

-99-1425 CID G.E. #30371 (?disc.) PAR 64, MH. HID HR. NSP 8̊ 1Kw/77v PAR64 MOL 175mm G 38 Nitrogen O.Bulb, Burn Horz ±90̊ (CRI 85) 5,500̊K 850,000 Cand 1,000hr

-99-1435 CID G.E. #30372 (?disc.) PAR 64, MH. HID. HR. NSP 9̊ 1.2Kw/100v PAR64 MOL 175mm G 38 Nitrogen O.Bulb, Burn Horz ±90̊ (CRI 85) 5,500̊K 820,000 Cand 1,000hr

-HMI 1200w PAR Osram #54076 (Disc.) PAR 64, MH. HID HR. (Lens avbl. #46771) 1.2Kw/100v PAR64 10mm MOL 176mm G 38 Univ. Burn with arc tube Horz. 6,000̊K 1,000hr

-NSP Lens Osram #46771 NSP (Disc.) NSP Lens for HMI PAR64 (7x8̊) PAR64 Half-Value Beam angle, Hxw 2,100,000 Cand

-MFL Lens Osram #46771 MFL (Disc.) MFL Lens for HMI PAR64 (9x21̊) PAR64 Half-Value Beam angle, Hxw 650,000 Cand

-WFL Lens Osram #64771 WFL (Disc.) WFL Lens for HMI PAR64 (26x56̊) PAR64 Half-Value Beam angle, Hxw 130,000 Cand

-SWFL Lens Osram #46771 SWFL (Disc.) SWFL Lens for HMI PAR64 (47x47̊) PAR64 Half-Value Beam angle, Hxw 60,000 Cand

 

[Roger L. Lattin]

Thread title basically say it. Anyone making a PAR64 5500K globe? Yes, could use 1/2 or full CTB or a dichroic filter, but that comes with a loss of lumens. Is there an LED PAR can made that has high CRI?

In the Film and TV we still use daylight "Blue" globes for our PAR fixtures. The globes are standard rental items through our rental houses, although they are more expensive than the standard tungsten globes, they come in 500 Watt, 1000 Watt and 1,200 Watt "Fire Starters" VNSPs. They are basically "blued" tungsten globes the color temperature is approximately 5500 deg. Kelvin, they are getting harder to find as are all non-LED globes.
HTH
Roger Lattin ETCP-E, IATSE local 728

 

[ledstixx]

https://www.arri.com/lighting/light..._hmi_lampheads/arrisun_event/arrisun_5_event/

 

[ledstixx]

In the Film and TV we still use daylight "Blue" globes for our PAR fixtures. The globes are standard rental items through our rental houses, although they are more expensive than the standard tungsten globes, they come in 500 Watt, 1000 Watt and 1,200 Watt "Fire Starters" VNSPs. They are basically "blued" tungsten globes the color temperature is approximately 5500 deg. Kelvin, they are getting harder to find as are all non-LED globes.
HTH
Roger Lattin ETCP-E, IATSE local 728

Can you please give me the lamp code? Thanks..

 

[Roger L. Lattin]

Can you please give me the lamp code? Thanks..

OOOPS- I guess I am getting old I just checked with my go to lamp supplier "they don't make den any more". The WB and Paramount lamp rooms still have some limited stock, if you want I'll see if they'll rent them to an outsider.
Sorry I thought that they were still made

 

[SouthFloridaSFX]

If you decide that you want to use Dichros, I have a bunch of CTB par64 for sale cheap.