# Fog Machine Options

#### gafftaper

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So for my new theater I'm trying to decide which way to go in purchasing fog machines. Ideally I would love to have a good Dry Ice fogger, a Chemical Fogger, and a Hazer but we'll see if I can afford that.

Option 1) Lemaitre Pea Souper. About $700. Advantages: It's a big bad Dry ice fogger. Appears to be about the best you can get without spending a fortune. Limits: price and pain of getting and handling dry ice. Option 2) I've been thinking about a Martin Jem ZR33 for my standard chemical fogger (price about$800). Buy one of these get some quick dissipating fog and install a chiller. There have been several threads about do it yourself chillers here. I also found this chiller for sale for $150... which doesn't seem like that bad of a if you consider your time valuable. Advantages...$950 and I have a chemical fogger and a low lying fogger. No CO2 hazzard. A big Bag O' Ice is cheaper and easier to get than Dry ice. Ice Chiller provides low fog for hours.

Option 3) Antari Ice 101. A fogger with a built in chiller that holds 20 pounds of ice. Looks like the price is around $600. Looks like you can use it without the ice for a normal chemical fog effect. Nice all in one unit. So my questions to you: 1) Is a good chiller combined with quick dissipating low lying chemical formula fluid REALLY as good as real dry ice? 2) What do you think of the Antari Ice 101 with the built in chiller vs another fogger and a home built/purchased chiller? 3) Anybody actually used the Antari Ice 101? 4) What do you think of the Martin Jem ZR33 for a general chemical fogger? Do you have any other suggestions for a good chemical fogger for around$800 or less. The theater is a 55 foot square black box, so I don't need the biggest baddest unit LeMaitre sells.

#### gafftaper

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Good news. I just learned that the local Fire Marshal has had it with false alarms so they are requiring all new construction to have heat detectors, not smoke detectors. So I should be able to Fog and Haze all I want. Sweet!!

#### BillESC

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Consider Le Maitre's Radiance for your hazing needs. Hard to find a better machine at the price point.

#### Grog12

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I personally have never had anything but trouble with Le MAitre hazers. No matter how we've set them they usually come out more like smoke than haze...but that's just my expeirience I know others have had success with them.

#### gafftaper

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I had a Rosco rep trying to give me the hard sell on their hazer and how it's the only one approved by Actor's Equity.

Anybody like them? Are they REALLY any safer than anything else?

#### gafftaper

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I personally have never had anything but trouble with Le MAitre hazers. No matter how we've set them they usually come out more like smoke than haze...but that's just my expeirience I know others have had success with them.
Hey Grog Welcome to the booth. You've had a lot of great personal insight to share in your recent posts. Thanks. I don't remember if you posted in the new member forum when you first joined up or not... but if you didn't please do. Tell us where you are and what you do, post a link to your theater or business. It's your one free shot to shamelessly promote yourself.

#### Grog12

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Hey Grog Welcome to the booth. You've had a lot of great personal insight to share in your recent posts. Thanks. I don't remember if you posted in the new member forum when you first joined up or not... but if you didn't please do. Tell us where you are and what you do, post a link to your theater or business. It's your one free shot to shamelessly promote yourself.
Thanks,
I'd swear I did...I'll have to look because I can't remember if I did or not.

#### Grog12

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I had a Rosco rep trying to give me the hard sell on their hazer and how it's the only one approved by Actor's Equity.
Anybody like them? Are they REALLY any safer than anything else?
Uhm...

A) BS to the only one approved by AEA.
B) Boo to AEA and all their silly haze guidelines. I'm sorry it I have just worked with too many whiney actors who even when using AE approved haze fluid did little whiney complaints. Coughing like I'd lit up a cigarette on stage.

http://www.actorsequity.org/docs/safesan/equipment-based.pdf
There findings and descions on how smoke/haze effects should be used with actors on stage.

All that being said...I haven't used a Rosco hazer...

#### Sean

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Uhm...
A) BS to the only one approved by AEA.
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I'll second the "BS".

AEA (with ESTA) has set levels of concentration of glycol, glycerin, and mineral oil. Basically, as long as the concentration is below the limit, ANY machine is fine. But you'd have to get from the manufacturer a "calibration value" (or something like that, I don't have the literature in front of me right now). Then you use a particulate meter to determine how much of whatever chemical is in the air.

In terms of hazers, if you're in a theatrical environment where noise matters, get a Unique Hazer from Look Solutions. I've been very happy with the one we purchased two years ago, and I just spec'ed two more for a new space. Variable output from a hint of haze to near "full on the fogger" output. And pretty quiet the whole time.

--Sean

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