But that may also explain a lot of the low frequency muddiness. For one, you are probably getting significant effects from the enclosure. In fact it almost sounds like the sub are working more via what they transmit structurally than through airborne transmission. For another, since you are apparently letting the mains run full range then you potentially have the same information coming from different sources in dramatically different locations. I think when you can get the subs in a better location and with the right crossover to the mains you'll be a lot happier.
I have no problem with people that like it loud and feel that the volume level is part of expressing their vision but I have never understood people who routinely like it louder than the audience obviously appreciates. It is amazing how many people apparently don't seem to believe that having your audience walk out in the middle of an event with their hands over their ears is not usually a desired result. If numerous members of the audience are holding their hands over their ears and/or walking out, it is too loud!
Given your console I take it that your LCR arrangement is actually run as exploded mono or stereo plus center mono using groups rather than being true LCR. Nothing bad about that, just trying to understand what it actually is as that can affect other things.
I have no problem with people that like it loud and feel that the volume level is part of expressing their vision but I have never understood people who routinely like it louder than the audience obviously appreciates. It is amazing how many people apparently don't seem to believe that having your audience walk out in the middle of an event with their hands over their ears is not usually a desired result. If numerous members of the audience are holding their hands over their ears and/or walking out, it is too loud!
Given your console I take it that your LCR arrangement is actually run as exploded mono or stereo plus center mono using groups rather than being true LCR. Nothing bad about that, just trying to understand what it actually is as that can affect other things.