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Innovator DMX device questions

Discussion in 'Lighting and Electrics' started by Sayen, Jan 10, 2009.

  1. Sayen

    Sayen Active Member

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    On an Innovator 600, does anyone know how to access DMX traits not listed when you select a moving device? There are only five or six encoder wheels, and considerably more traits for some devices.

    Does anyone know what part of the .ddl file determines which traits show up on encoders? How about the order of commands (does Lamp On really need to be the last command?)? I generally move everything with the trackball, so I really don't need pan and tilt most of the time.

    I've called Leviton tech support, but they either don't call back, or I get the fun of teaching the technician how to run the board, which was my last two calls. The manual is very useful, it's holding up one leg of the table the console sits on.
     
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    derekleffew Resident Curmudgeon Senior Team Premium Member

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    From p. 167 of the manual: "To view additional traits in the LCD use the left/right arrow keys to scroll through the traits. To page through the traits, press and hold the Leviton key while using the left/right arrow keys."

    On other boards (notably Expression3), this would be known as "encoder mapping," but I don't see anything stating it's possible on the Innovator.
     
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    Seems to be a popular trait for an innovator manual. Ours was in a binder so it became the door wedge. :)
     
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    Thanks Derek! Did you have the manual handy? The information on the creating .ddl files is sketchy, and I couldn't find any hints dissecting the premade ones available through the Leviton website.

    It's fun owning an Innovator. I do searches here, and find people describing the very same problems I have. It's like belonging to a club. Only instead of issuing you a jacket, this club takes your jacket, puts a brick in it, beats you with it, and then makes you wear it upside down while your friends with Ions laugh.
     
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    You know, I don't see what's with all of the bashing of the Innovator. I have no problems with mine...
     
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    I'm quite good at dissecting .ddl files, I have to be because I use an MLC16 at school and wanted everything to be my own way, not the way Leviton/NSI had it, so I custom made all of my .ddl files.

    The order the traits display in is the order which they are in the .ddl file. Since the .ddl file has channel numbers written in to the traits, you can move traits around. You just have to be careful not to break Union traits if the profile has any. So for example, one of my custom .ddl files has channel 2, channel 3, channel 4, channel 5, channel 1, channel 6, channel 8, channel 7, channel 9, in that order in the file, so they display in that orderon the MLC16. I am pretty sure you can also move commands around as well. I can only garuntee this for the MLC16 though, and assume that the Innovator works the same way. But they use the same files so I assume that they operate in the same manner.

    If you want any .ddl file surgery done and can't figure it out, PM me and I'll see what I can do. Also, if you want any custom .ddls built, let me know.
     
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    Don't forget, if you want to play around with it on your computer, Leviton has an OLE for Windows XP (and only XP) available at Leviton.com - Innovator Series in the downloads tab.

    The manual is available in .pdf format in the link above.

    This is possibly the best description of owning an Innovator that I have seen, ever. I usually get lucky and avoid the problems, though. It's called being poor and not owning any MLs.
     
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    [QUOTE=lieperjp;116963This is possible the best description of owning an Innovator that I have seen, ever. I usually get lucky and avoid the problems, though. It's called being poor and not owning any MLs.[/QUOTE]

    Is that why I don't have any problems? All that I have are conventionals.
     
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    That's what I think. The only time I ever have problems is when I push it hard...
     
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    Yeah, the most advanced thing that I've ever done is set cues :)
     
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    Most of the time the darned thing behaves with conventionals. That's when it isn't randomly locking up.

    Moving devices are another story. Sometimes they run, sometimes they don't. Sometimes the default key stops working. Cues with moving devices are about a 50/50 shot, no exaggeration. Same with moving device effects.

    I had real fun this week - I set all of my subs with conventionals, then added in the moving devices to the device list. Built a cue list...and the console remapped my subs. Think it was my fault, I started clean with a witness...same thing. Not to mention an effect built off of subs with no moving devices was mapping random channels, and then refusing to let me delete or write over the sub. My groups were spontaneously lost as well.

    I do back up shows, but the save time on the console is about 10+ minutes at times, so I don't typically do it mid-programming.

    The real fun? You can't program a submaster and have it not affect the moving device unless the device is deleted from memory (so says Leviton tech, at least). You can't delete device 1 on my console without it crashing or doing a system restart. Leviton told me to stop doing resets more than once every six months to avoid memory artifacts. So...yay!
     
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    That's awesome! :grin:

    Soundlight - I couldn't get a PM through, your box is full. Here's what I tried to send:

    I have been trying to create a custom DDL for a LeMaitre Radiance Hazer without any luck. I can't tell however if it's me, or the console. The hazer uses two channels, the first for haze, and the second for fan speed. If you can at least point me in the right direction on creating the ddl, I'd appreciate it. The console offers plenty of options, but they seem to be geared more towards moving devices only.
     
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    soundlight Well-Known Member

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    Yah, I'm not renewing my CB subscription till my first paycheck of the semester comes in, so my PM limit is down for a bit. However, should work now.

    Here's a .ddl format that should work:
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    Device Radiance Hazer

    Trait Haze
    Type Continuous
    Channel 1
    Size 8Bit
    Invert No
    XAxis No
    YAxis No
    Black No
    BoValue 0
    Master No
    Default 0
    Maximum 255
    Minimum 0

    Trait Fan
    Type Continuous
    Channel 2
    Size 8Bit
    Invert No
    XAxis No
    YAxis No
    Black No
    BoValue 0
    Master No
    Default 0
    Maximum 255
    Minimum 0
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    Thanks, I'll give that a shot.
     

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