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Discussion in 'Lighting and Electrics' started by ship, Feb 12, 2008.

  1. ship

    ship Senior Team Emeritus Premium Member

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    Just recently for some unknown reason have been able to start getting stagecraft digest again - this given my firewall finally accepts them. Yep, not much changed... what appears in the list of what's posted doesn' t have numbers on it below, the search still don't work, still fighting with Frank, length of one's title following their name is still going on, phillips verses square drive debate still going on - this all years later.

    None the less there was an interesting item in #1959 that caught my eye, than further discussion.

    Good stuff for people to keep in the back of their mind - stuff I never thought about how they did it on either but find fascinating.

    Message-ID: <[email protected]nk.net>
    Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:43:22 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
    From: Brad Pattison <[email protected]>
    Reply-To: Brad Pattison <[email protected]>
    Subject: Way old school effect

    Does anyone know how to do the ( I don't know the name of it) effect that used to be projected on the wall behind a rock and roll band? It was before 'videos' were ever heard of say in the '60s and or '70s. It looked like someone put a drop of water betweeen two gels and tapped it to make the blot change in shape.
    Any input would be most appreciated!

    Thanks

    Brad Pattison

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    Cc: [email protected] (Curtis Phillips)
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    From: Curtis Phillips <[email protected]>
    In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
    Subject: Re: Way old school effect
    Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:49:33 -0600
    References: <[email protected]>

    It's called liquid light.

    Here is a website that explains it. http://www.phinnweb.org/retro/garage/lightshows.html

    I saw a show about this recently but for the life of me I can't
    remember what it was. I do know that the guy used this technique on an
    overhead projector. Pretty cool.


    Curtis Phillips
    Assistant Professor/Scene Designer
    University of Minnesota Duluth
    218.726.7444
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    www.d.umn.edu/~cphillip
    "As always please excuse the typos"
     
  2. tgates

    tgates Member

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    I think they were called Oil-Wheel effects.
     
  3. SHARYNF

    SHARYNF Well-Known Member

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    AHH the old days

    You used a overhead projector, and two clear glass dishes. Mineral oil was used with various food colors added, these were manually run with people moving the plates, taping them against one another to spread and shape the blob.

    All great fun

    Sharyn
     
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    STEVETERRY Well-Known Member

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    It started at the Fillmore East, Bill Graham's Theatre on 2nd Ave in NY. It was called the Joshua Light Show, and the creator's name was Joshua White. That's also the place where Bob See and Bob Goddard started out.

    I remember watching Pete Townshend of The Who destroy guitars in front of the blobs of oil!

    That proves I'm old.

    :)


    ST
     
  5. gafftaper

    gafftaper Senior Team Senior Team Fight Leukemia

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    Yes but having been there also makes you REALLY cool.
     
  6. derekleffew

    derekleffew Resident Curmudgeon Senior Team Premium Member

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    Haud testimonium postulo.

    WHO (?) I bet that would look really groovy spelt out with parcans.

    Was Jefferson Airplane anything like Jefferson Starship? And how many CB members are familiar with either?

    im sew glam\d i is yung2:twisted:
     
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    STEVETERRY Well-Known Member

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    You are kind! I will use that in my next ESTA standards meeting:

    "Guys, we're not doing that, and it's because I say so and I'm REALLY cool!"

    :)

    ST
     
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    BillESC Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    I must be cool too since I'm that old. Steve, I was working just down the street at the Village Arena Theatre on East 4th in the country rock musical "Touch."

    Speaking of Bob Goddard, have you ever worked with Rosemary?
     
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    STEVETERRY Well-Known Member

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    Yes I have. She is one of my favorite people in our business.

    Example:

    Her company name with Mike Callahan for a while: "Consolidated Edification".

    Back of the T-shirt; "No Problem"

    Pure poetry.

    ST
     
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    BillESC Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    Steve,

    I'm sure we've met or at least spoken before. I have that shirt.

    I used to supply lighting and labor for Michael and Rosemary at many of their events around the city.

    She can make a stagehand blush!
     
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    STEVETERRY Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps some of the gear came from my company, Production Arts. Michael and Rosemary rented a lot from us.

    Let's catch up at USITT or LDI!

    ST
     
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    Were you at Bash before PA?
     
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    BillESC Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    I got most of my gear from Ronnie.
     
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    STEVETERRY Well-Known Member

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    Err.. not quite. Don and Bob are good friends, but PA and Bash were arch competitors!

    ST
     
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    STEVETERRY Well-Known Member

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    A name we all miss.

    ST
     
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    BillESC Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    True. He was my mentor.
     
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    ship Senior Team Emeritus Premium Member

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    Off subject and calling out of the old timers. but good to know no doubt in the calling crew for the future for such a topic. Such art must not be lost thus the need for such concepts to be posted and other generations to pass on their knowlege. Me, I'm not that old yet :) though I do know the difference and sameness of starship and airplaine in still liking the before they got starship.
     
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    The segue from Jefferson Airplane through to Starship along with side lines into Hot Tuna is a space for a whole nuther thread. Grace Slick had one of the greatest voices of her generation. Jorma Kaukonen recently was in Adelaide for the Guitar festival. I had heard the Airplane was touring again.

    The oil wheel effect was also done by a Melbourne LD who used the name LSD FOGG. I saw John Mayall in Adelaide with Freddy Robinson (one of the great blues guitarists) in about 1969 with an LSD FOGG design.

    I recently bought a cheapo chinese oil wheel effect. Can't run it for longer than 10 minutes at a time or the silicon that holds the two glass rondells together melts and the oil escapes. Found that out to my cost. I was able to source a new wheel though. I don't use it for shows any more I put it on for ten minutes while I listen to "Blows Against The Empire" the very first Jefferson Starship album. Which I still have on vinyl.
     
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  19. derekleffew

    derekleffew Resident Curmudgeon Senior Team Premium Member

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    Me too! I wanted to cite Janis Joplin (Fillmore WEST) rather than Airplane, but found the video clip from the Smothers' Bros. TV show.

    "LSD FOGG" didn't have anything to do with Lighting and Sound Design, did it? I'm kinda thinking it means something else.;)

    My roommate told me about using his mother's Pyrex baking dishes and putting brine shrimp in them on an overhead projector. Worked great until the shrimp cooked and stopped moving. ("Random moving gobo" anyone? The first "media server"?) His mother was rather irritated with him! The school was not happy with him either when they found out he had rewired the projector so the lamp could be dimmed while the fan stayed on constant power.
     
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    Another liquid lightshow was performed by Mad Mick's Light Mix for the Nektar tour. Same concept, Overhead projectors, oil and food coloring. Anyone remember Nektar?
     

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