# Many many intel questions....

#### Minion

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Hey guys, I am designing lights for my high schools production of The Laramie Project.

With designing I am fine, I know what looks I want and everything. Mostly my questions revolve around the technical part of the lighting. I have a solid knowledge of conventional fixtures, but with automation (which I will be dabbling into) I am clueless.

Here is the system we are currently running:

Dimming: Two EDI EX Racks, one full to capacity with 2.4kW dimmers another with about half capacity.
1-30 Catwalks
31-80 Electrics
81-118 Floor Pockets
119-148 House Lights

Control:
EDI Bijou 512

Fixtures:
11 ETC Source Four
3 Altman 360Q
6 Par 64
1 Par 16
3 3” Fresnel
8 6” Fresnel
2 8” Fresnel
12 14” Scoops

That is basically our rig, but now I plan on renting the following from Atmosphere Lighting Inc out of Bethesda, Maryland …

2 Mac 2000 Profiles
24 ETC Source Fours
1 DF-50 Hazer

So now I have a bunch of questions about the Mac 2ks and the DF-50, I have never worked with automation before so sorry if I am totally off with these…

How would I wire the Mac2ks and the DF-50 with DMX to the board? Daisy Chain them then plug them directly into the second universe?

How do I run two universes at the same time with the conventionals in one universe and the automated in another?

Do I plug the Mac2ks and the DF-50 into the rig through the dimmers for a power source? If not where do I plug them in for a power source?

When I program the show along with the automation how do I make the lights move in one cue? Individual use of their channels or does it involve the macros? (I have no clue what a macro is, so that might also be good to know!)

How do I work with the firmware on the Mac2ks, do I need to work on the fixture every time I need to run the show? (They would be in an inconvenient spot to get up to them often)

Thanks!
-Andrew

#### propmonkey

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all i know is i would either daisy chain them to the 2nd universe or get a DMX splitter.

just a comment: thats going to cost alot for that equipment...

#### Minion

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propmonkey said:
all i know is i would either daisy chain them to the 2nd universe or get a DMX splitter.

just a comment: thats going to cost alot for that equipment...

Yup, I know! (About the cost)

My director is crazy about Laramie, he is going all out. The set will contain about 20 TVs a bunch will be flat panels. I asked him about a budget, he responded, "What budget?!"

#### len

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All dmx runs daisy chain. So yes, a, b, c, d, etc.

How you can connect them to the board, I can't say. Once they'e patched in, just program. The whole idea of a multi-universe board is that you don't have to wory about which universe a fixture is on.

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, run any dmx fixture through a dimmer pack.

I believe the M2K needs a 220 line. Check the manual.

The M2k requires depending 21 and 31 channels, depending on exactly which version it is. Can your board handle it? If not, look into renting a 512 channel console.

I would also consider using a splitter WITH an amplifier in it. This will help boost the signal over long runs.

#### Minion

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len said:
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, run any dmx fixture through a dimmer pack.

Yeah that’s what I thought, for a power source can I just plug it into a wall outlet?

len said:
I believe the M2K needs a 220 line. Check the manual.

No clue what this means? Could you explain more?

len said:
The M2k requires depending 21 and 31 channels, depending on exactly which version it is. Can your board handle it? If not, look into renting a 512 channel console.

They are M2k Profiles, is that the exact version you were looking for? My board should be fine, it has two 512 universes.

len said:
How you can connect them to the board, I can't say. Once they'e patched in, just program. The whole idea of a multi-universe board is that you don't have to wory about which universe a fixture is on.

The board is on “one to one patching: cannot be edited.” Again it is a EDI Bijou, not a board many people are familiar with. With it being one to one once I plug the fixtures in and restart the board would it pick them up right away?

#### Peter

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"What budget?!"

WOWOW lucky you! lol normally when I hear that (ok, ya, I always hear that) it means that we have $0 not$oxo (my sad attempt an an infinity symbol)

Where are you guys getting the $$for this? do you know some pot of gold at the end of a rainbow that I dont know about? #### Minion ##### Member Peter said: "What budget?!" WOWOW lucky you! lol normally when I hear that (ok, ya, I always hear that) it means that we have 0 not oxo (my sad attempt an an infinity symbol) Where are you guys getting the$$ for this? do you know some pot of gold at the end of a rainbow that I dont know about?

Our department roughly gets 20,000 dollars per school year. That is our whole budget though. That is the standard for the schools in my county (Fairfax, VA). I think it is either the 2nd or 3rd most wealthy county in the nation. Every single school in the county made that list of the top somenumber highschools in the nation. The school board also LOVES the arts, that helps too.

We tend to turn a profit on our shows, so we are basically in the money.

Our director is rather thrifty with money however, so we never spend all of our budget. It just goes back to the county.

Sorry if I am making you jealous, but you are more than welcome to move here! We need smart techs!

#### Minion

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So is your board not the plus model? I might suggest renting a board then, since your budget allows it. The High End Hog 1000 would probably be nice, but at \$400 a week, it might be too expensive. The ETC Express 125 is half the price, but would likely be a bigger hassle to work setup. Those are the prices from Atmosphere, by the way.

Well we do have a budget, it is just higher than what we can do for other shows that we put on. So basically everything I have mentioned is pushing it , but anything more will start to be out of the question. Our board is not the plus model, but running Intels on the regular Bijou should be fine. It probably will be a pain not having the extra controls but I think I will be able to make out alright.

What lenght of a cable run starts to get to the point that I would need to get a DMX Amplifier?

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Running intels from a conv. board can be very difficult, because the arcs and profiles involved are often too much to deal with. Any circles would mean a lot of cues, and the parameters have to be able to be controlled by the values not the percentages. Lots of channels like lamp control. Plus the pan and tilt are 16 bit on the MAC2kP, and I think the Bijou only supports 8 bit. Sorry to discourage you...

600' before amp is needed.

#### jonhirsh

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Hey as i was saying it is time consuming i just did tick tick boom and we did it on a express 24/48 and oh my god what a nightmare, its took 4 hours to program a 1 hour job. let me say this if you are doing the intels rent a fat frog there cheep but they are awsome and will save you 2 hours on programing. if you cant afford the board dont do it . my rule when i am decideing weither to work on a show is do they have the right gear in the rider if they dont i pass.

Jon Hirsh