# Multi-color LED wash fixture with decent tungsten white

#### TJCornish

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I have had a lot of success with my current RGBA pars for saturated colors, but they're really not good enough for front white. Is there anything out there that:

- fixture cost less than $750 - can make a reasonable tungsten white. I do corporate shows of moderate production level - don't need TV-studio quality, but better than the average 4-color LED fixture. I would like the white to be good enough to mix these in with existing conventionals. - pretty bright (I'm using 575w fixtures to do this now. I'm not expecting 14,000 OTF lumens, but the intent is for main front wash, so I need some power) I'm interested in the ETC Colorsource par and will try to get a demo eventually. Is there anything else out there that is interesting? I know there are white only fixtures, and I may be interested in something like that, but my preference would be a multi-color capable fixture, as the main problem I'm trying to solve is not having to hang two sets of fixtures for color and white. Thanks! #### BillConnerFASTC ##### Well-Known Member You should check out Philips Showline par. #### soundlight ##### Well-Known Member It might be a little bit over your budget but I cannot recommend the Martin Rush Par 2 RGBW Zoom enough in this aspect. It's got the same color system as the MAC Aura so it can make a wonderfully homgenized and camera-usable warm white. It also has motorized zoom, which I've found more useful than I expected to. No more putting R114 in a unit to get the spread I need. And unlike other LED PARs the front of it is nice to look at since it has the lens system from the Aura so it's one single look on the front rather than a bunch of dots. This also has (12) 10w LEDs, which throw out a decent punch. The Rush Par 1 on the other hand is one of the worst LED PARs that I've used, there's a reddish spot in the center of the beam with a blueish halo around it. Horrible lensing. #### TJCornish ##### Well-Known Member Thanks - those are both interesting. I'm completely unfamiliar with the Philips. I'm familiar with the Mac Aura; didn't know they made a fixed PAR. Zooming would be really handy. I was budgeting for the holo lenses for the ETC fixtures, but zoom built-in to the fixture would be really convenient. #### BillConnerFASTC ##### Well-Known Member The Philips has zoom but manual I think. I have not compared but my associate and a client did - Alley Theatre - and selected the Philips for there houselights. #### James Feenstra ##### Member #### TJCornish ##### Well-Known Member #### cbrandt ##### Well-Known Member It might be pushing the top end of your budget, but I've been extremely happy with my Elation Level Q7s. I have the IP rated version, and use ETC led lenses to give me some options on beam spread. #### LandruDesign ##### Member - fixture cost less than$750
- can make a reasonable tungsten white. I do corporate shows of moderate production level - don't need TV-studio quality, but better than the average 4-color LED fixture. I would like the white to be good enough to mix these in with existing conventionals.
- pretty bright

For something in this price bracket, I'd recommend the Martin RUSH PAR 2. Nice color range...usable "white"...zoom optics...decent intensity. I just put 38 in a House-Of-Worship install and have been quite pleased.

#### dreamist

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The Philips has zoom but manual I think. I have not compared but my associate and a client did - Alley Theatre - and selected the Philips for there houselights.

This is a fan cooled unit I think, right? Have they been happy with the noise level using them as house lighting?

#### BillConnerFASTC

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This is a fan cooled unit I think, right? Have they been happy with the noise level using them as house lighting?
Has not been in my hands. Start up is a few weeks away. They have listened and looked on a stage and studied to death. You can adjust fan speed or turn off via dmx. I'll let you know - opening night is in October.

#### James Feenstra

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Interesting. Only 1230 lumens and no zooming though. The Showline Par mentioned above claims 3200 lumens.
There are lenses available for the color one in the event you need a wider beam

The best way to determine what will work in your particular situation is to demo a bunch of fixtures from different manufacturers and see what will work best for you!

#### BillConnerFASTC

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100% agree that shoot out is only way to come to right decision. Get samples side by side for a few days and look and show to people.