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New HES LED Moving Head

Discussion in 'Lighting and Electrics' started by icewolf08, Apr 30, 2008.

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What do you guess will be the MSRP for this fixture?

Poll closed May 30, 2008.
  1. More than $20,001.

    7 vote(s)
    21.9%
  2. $10,001-$20,000.

    19 vote(s)
    59.4%
  3. Less than $10,000.

    3 vote(s)
    9.4%
  4. No clue.

    3 vote(s)
    9.4%
  1. icewolf08

    icewolf08 CBMod CB Mods

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  2. derekleffew

    derekleffew Resident Curmudgeon Senior Team Premium Member

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    If you know the correct answer to the poll, please wait until it appears on the HES website to respond.
     
  3. Grog12

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    I'd like 10 please...This will either be a flash in the pan or we're going to start seeing some very new and exciting lighting.
     
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    avkid Not a New User Fight Leukemia

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    Like anyone really pays MSRP.
    :rolleyes:
     
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    soundlight Well-Known Member

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    I think that people saw the surprising success that the Elation Impression has had and wanted to get in the game - fast. HES fires the first (very impressive) shot. Going above and beyond in terms of pixel mapping and sheer size. Definitely looks like a true Richard Belliveau idea!

    Actually, Robe fired the first shot, but no one saw it over here, really. Their new products include the REDwash 3-192, which is an RGBW moving head. This utilizes 192 Luxeon Rebel LEDs and looks like a truly impressive product. Their DigitalSpot 3000, another new product, offers a smaller LED array along with its projector.

    http://www.robe.cz/popup_preliminary_specifications.html
     
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    Quicktime - http://www.highend.com/SHOWPIX/videoqt.html

    They are pretty schmexy. Hate to think of the number of channels it uses though.

    EDIT: Answered my own question. 70 in the 'standard' mode. Made up of 127 3W LEDs.
     
  7. Pie4Weebl

    Pie4Weebl Well-Known Member Fight Leukemia

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    aside from being camera candy on the deck at concerts with video shoots I do not see these catching on. It is kind of a so what if the front of the fixture looks cool, unless the beams themselves back a good punch and can look interesting I don't see this becoming more popular than the other fixtures they have already.
     
  8. TimMiller

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    Now for some INFO

    Originally Posted by Brad on Light Network
    You are correct. The SHOWPIX fixture has a built in graphics engine that controls all media playback, manipulation, etc. The fixture has a global layer and two media layers for full interaction. Many types of media can be imported via custom software that provides a visualization of how the content will appear in the fixture prior to uploading.

    SHOWPIX will be shipping very soon and more information will be posted on the HES site in the next few weeks. It is a very exciting new type of fixture that is a real joy to program and create all kinds of never before seen images and effects. I can imagine all kinds of new looks on stage and in the rig with this light!

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    Originally Posted by Brad on Light Network
    There are several different protocols available to allow many different options, but the standard method for the fixture uses 70 DMX channels.

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    "How bright is it and any other info about the light"

    There are 127 3watt RGB LEDs so it is very, very bright. Full details will be posted on the HES website soon and the fixtures will be shipping soon as well....
     
  9. Pie4Weebl

    Pie4Weebl Well-Known Member Fight Leukemia

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    And that changes my mind on it!
     
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    No idea but based on the price of other HES products I'm guessing the sticker will be north of $20K. Street price about $12K.
     
  11. DarSax

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    I just wish they had shown some of that when the fixture was facing the wall. If you had a line of them on, say, a boom or truss, then you could do crazy things with a multi-color wash as colors move "down the line" without the heads moving at all. I'd also want to see what the patterns projected would look like, probably just dim and fuzzy, but I'm still interested.

    How would you control it? Like a very low-res DL1?
     
  12. derekleffew

    derekleffew Resident Curmudgeon Senior Team Premium Member

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    More information posted by Brad Schiller on the Light Network.

    "How wide is the coverage as a wash at 20' throw? I realize there are a number of control profiles but what is the minimum and maximum number of control channels?"

    I do not have the photometrics in front of me, but it produces a very wide and bright wash. When used as a stage or cyc wash it really does a great job as a "light". The amazing thing though is that because of the way the LEDs mix you could have the stage washed in a red color, but if you look at the fixtures they could have a yellow peace sign (or other symbol) on them surrounded by red. This leads to all kinds of cool new possibilities for the audience or for TV cameras. It is really cool when you think about being able to "change" the appearance of the fixture itself and still be able to wash the stage. We also include many custom "lenses" or shapes that you can use so the fixture does not just appear as a round source. There is so many new lighting design concepts possible that it takes some time to think of all the applications and stage images.

    As for the control.. we have a library for the Wholehog consoles and will release it with the fixture. We also work with other manufacturers and visualizers to ensure they have accurate libraries. The four protocols are basically as follows:
    1. Standard (pan/tilt, global and two media layers) 70 channels
    2. RGB Reduced (pan/tilt, intensity, strobe, and RGB) 12 channels
    3. Pixel Mapping (pan/tilt, intensity, strobe and individual control of the 127 LEDs) 390 channels
    4. Enhanced (pan/tilt, global and two media layers and individual control of the 127 LEDs) 451 channels

    So we have offered these modes to allow you to use the light as intended (mode 1), then from the simplest format to the most complex.

    Brad Schiller
    HES Director of Control Systems Development
    Visit the HES Forums at: http://forums.highend.com


    451 Channels?! Don't try this on an Express! But an Ion or Palette could probably handle it.;)
     
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    Wow, that is a lot of channels. Would be GREAT for control if some major console manufacturers adopted a different sort of control for it--you could get a picture of the LEDs up on the touchscreen, and be able to touch and select individually which ones you to control/change params for. Otherwise, that's a hell of a lot of groups or channels.
     
  14. derekleffew

    derekleffew Resident Curmudgeon Senior Team Premium Member

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    Stay with us here, Dar. Maxxyz, Hog3, and grandMA already support pixel-mapping, with or without a Maxxedia, Axon/Catalyst, grandMA video, M-Box, Hippotizer, or various other media servers. I'm not sure about Eos/LightPalette, but I suspect they do also.

    I'm guessing we will see some sort of ACN control offered for the SHOWPIX as well, just not immediately.
     
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    Well, shucks. I'm behind the times. Guess I've finally found out what that phrase means. :oops:
     
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    Well I've already voted.... danr. I voted 10-20k judged just on the video but reading all the posts I'm sure its >$20k. I would really like to see what kind of color effects you can do at a 20' throw. I don't see a lot for need to have a red wash with a yellow peace sign in it, but if you could separate the fixture into quarters and have 4 different color downs that could rotate as a whole, change color independently, and there wasn't to much color overlap that would be pretty interesting. Thats the first thing I can think of that would use the pixel mapping and be useful after the throw, I'm sure there's more...... 451 channels, just wow, I see this coming with an RJ-45 jack in it even if ACN isn't supported right off the bat.
     
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    I'm still pretty confident it will be right around 8-12 list, I mean when you get down to it, a Mac 2K could still kick its ass, and it doesn't seem on the same level as showgun which is at 20.


    EDIT: so I just watched to the end of the video for the first time and I did not realize that it was showgun size at first. I now think no more than 15....
     
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    Why would I want to buy this again?

    It's cool, no doubt, but is it practical? Who really cares how the pixels map out because it would only focus as a wash.

    I almost want to say that it's eye candy for the LD, but does that same feeling get carried over into the crowd?

    Maybe that's just me though.

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    EDIT: Having worked with LED's before, I guess in my mind the only ups are that it's low-wattage, no need to change lamps, and the response time of LED's is almost instantaneous. Such destailed pixel-mapping certainly isn't the selling point for me.
     
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    Its not really meant to be a threatrical instrument......Its meant for Rock and Roll/Wrestling. Light as art. Imagine getting an audience blinder that leaves a heart shaped after burn in your eye
     
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    On the High end forum Scott M. Blair, the HES Director of Digital Lighting Development according to his signature, says that you can take a standard gif animation and upload it into the fixture..... curiouser and curiouser

    EDIT: Grog as much as I hate audience blinders that was one of the first things I thought of when it turned over and the pattern changed from the 1/6's with dark between to the peace sign so I'm right there with you. Also does a good job of explaining the "really wide" throw that these things potentially have. But in the end I'm greedy and want them to have a theatrical purpose so I get to play with them.
     
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