# New MIxer

##### Active Member
My music leader gave me a chance to come up with a major wishlist so now i need to ask a what if q

"If money was no problem what would be the best mixer to get with at least 40channels and 4 sub 6aux?"

#### BNBSound

##### Active Member
SoundCraft Series 2, hands down.
40 channels, + 2 Stereo + 4 Stereo Returns
8 Sub Groups
8 Mute Groups
8 Aux Sends
Dual Sweep Mid EQs
10x2 Matrix
Direct outs on all channels
Full Meter Bridge
Coms on board

#### Andy_Leviss

##### Active Member
Mackie is nowhere near the class of what we're talking here. Mackie's are bottom-of-the-line, entry-level consoles. When money is an issue, they'll do, although Allen and Heath are better sounding and far better feature sets in a similar price range.

In the class we're discussing here, just wait until you get your ears and hands on any of these pro-level consoles, and you'll understand why so many professional riders specify no Mackies

And, again, even if it weren't Mackie, it's a brand new console. I'm always of the mind to let other people be the first to test out a new console when it hits the free market. And, going back to the Mackie thing, it was not pretty the last time Mackie tried a large format console; the 8-buses were, as a general rule, a disaster. Those who didn't rush to buy a brand new item were saved the hassle of seeing a console with bad ribbon cables that caused all sorts of issues almost right out of the box, not to mention idiotic EQ section layouts and lots of other ill-conceived features.

To put it in terms of cars, Mackie is the Kia of the sound world; Midas and Cadac, etc. are more along the lines of BMWs, or even professional race cars. Both will get you there, but to compare them directly isn't quite fair to either one.

--A

#### avkid

##### Not a New User
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Andy, play nice with the others. The Onyx is a good digital starter console, most of us are starters on digital consoles anyway!

#### Andy_Leviss

##### Active Member
I am playing nice. This thread asked for recommendations of top dollar, money is no issue "dream" consoles. Mackie consoles, Onyx or not, are anything but that.

If this thread asked about budget entry-levels, sure, look at the Onyx, but then look at the Allen and Heath, too.

Also, you are horribly mistaken. The Onyx is NOT a digital console. It's an analog console with an optional firewire output. Nothing on the console aside from that add-on card is digital (and it is pre-eq, pre-fader direct out only, plus a pair from the stereo bus), and nothing on it is digitally controlled. The TT24 is Mackie's digital console.

All that said, I am musing over the smaller Onyx with the firewire card as a Smaart interface. That could be sweet, and all my complaints except for build quality about most of Mackie's products are moot for that use. Of course, a better solution would be the equivalent of a Mobile Devices USB Pre with a series of switchable inputs, but without making a custom product, the Onyx would be a really nice way to quickly switch which measurement input you're sending into Smaart. But I digress...

--A

##### Active Member
It is a install, for my church. we've got a allen and Heath GL2200 right now.

#### The_Guest

##### Senior Team Emeritus
Andy_Leviss said:
To put it in terms of cars, Mackie is the Kia of the sound world; Midas and Cadac, etc. are more along the lines of BMWs, or even professional race cars. Both will get you there, but to compare them directly isn't quite fair to either one.

--A

I personally give Behringer the Kia label. Mackie is a tad better than that. But by no means superior in the audioworld.

#### soundman1024

##### Active Member
If you think that lowly of Behringer then what do you think of brands such as American DJ? I'm not defending the product that they are putting out (for either brand) I'm just saying that they aren't the worst, and are far from the best. I also agree with you on the fact that Mackie is far from what the topic creator was asking for. He wanted the best console you could advise and Onyx is what you came up with. I realize my ML5000 advice wasn't much better, but I haven't worked with anything better so I really am in no position to advise you of something. I was just trying to give you what input I could.