March 23rd, 2009 06:35 PMreggie98
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Ship,
This thread:
http://www.controlbooth.com/forums/lighting/lighting/lighting/l...ch-panels.html Unfortunately the "powers that be" in the town disabled the board when most of the lights were removed from the school. If the town ever replaces the board, do you thing any parts of it would be worth saving to
build a primitive but mobile dimming
system?
reggie
On the dimmers or dimming
system, probably not. What are you trying to save in converting?
Portable for what it does, perhaps for the light board at best, for the dimmers, most likely not - once almost dropped a 6x2K triangular “
road pack” with master (from the 60's)
thru the floor when my rigging broke - this thing while standardized parts for 40 years ago to what this touring pack had, itsn’t much use overall as a
portable pack at least for the effort that would be needed and weight of it’s components. Given it depends on what specific gear you are thinking about. Did also save the
Stage pin type panel mounts also for another
patch panel I never got around to. Would still be useful but it's like 15x years since I saved them and I still have not used them this by way of not needed for a project or in general forgetting that I have them already pre-made and able to use as opposed to just starting from scratch for what's needed to the situation. Mostly forgetting I have them and or not considering them when making a new product and spending hours making new parts as standardized parts are constantly useful in being the same even 40 years later.
Had three of them touring packs, one with master the others slaves which were much lighter. Saved some of the
fader handles - on my window sill at work, saved the main
dimmer as a door stop which later got trashed due to long story, and saved just about every screw or plate steel on them I could find. Don’t know what happened to a lot of the parts, think in the end I had to
throw out a lot of them, know I still have the original master
dimmer lever. Heck, one of the
dimmer coils is still in use at work as dead weight for my
wire rope hoist for my department when not in use. Still got bins full of screws and stuff from dismantling the things. Granted these days I don’t have much use for normal nuts or spring lock washers, but my bins are full of even brass or bronze ones which are useful at times and I’ll never have to buy again in my lifetime. The screws from the things on the other
hand, constantly in use for projects. I rarely do Phillips for a
machine screw thus older screws as long as serviceable works well for most of what I work on.
Handles, plate steel
etc... long gone in being used on new gear = know what the price on steel plate is? Just need one salvaged even front panel to a rack plate for a project, what’s saved is constantly perfect if one has the ability to shape and cut it to one’s needs. (Constantly replacing the bent aluminum
barndoor shutter retaining clips to studio Fresnels. All it takes is like a L’ shape of 1"
leg 16ga steel bent and cut in a reproducing the holder way riveted to the
shutter to retain the shutters. Just a say 1" square of material out of a scrap steel bin - at very least some side plate off a
dimmer is well worth having to buy plate to make it out of.) Side panels, angle plates
etc. if you construct gear for a living like I do, salvage away. Not much on an old
dimmer you won’t be able to save for future needs, the rest left over is either copper that can be recycled for a profit or at very least in not recycling what’s left of the steel framing
etc., a lot less to pay to haul away. Wiring is of course gone in no longer useful to the recycler, but say some copper buss bar within the thing... copper no matter how old will still carry a
current, if useful later why buy more or at least recycle it as a separate part than as part of the main
dimmer contraption thing gone to scrap? Add up the bucks in seperating out what is what and balance it with the labor involved in saving the different materials and you should get ahead.
On the other
hand, when my old store front theater finally gave it up, we moved
road boxes full of scrap steel and parts out of the place I had collected up - raw materials other theaters wouldn’t take and left behind after the garage sale. More than a dozen
road boxes just full of plate steel and parts from indicator lights to screws to angle irons - no offers even for the 100+ gallons of paint in
stock in misc. colors or stains (other than black) that had to be thrown out, or full lumber racks full of salvaged lumber from past sets by us or other places I acquired the sets to left behind. Hmm, bending
luan, what might I find use for that for? Hundreds of ½"
MDF 10x16" blocks of pre-painted blocks looking like stone under the audience, and no takers for them. I was really, really good at acquiring stuff to the extent we later had to turn the studio theater into a work shop storage space by way of given materials on-hand for sets, normally only needing like a $80.00 budget per show in the mid 90's for a full set always provided for our shows - this given it took a lot of labor so as to turn the sets back into raw materials and that labor needed in the end was in part what closed us down in burning ourselves out. Sure, we could cheaply do full shows but there was just so much work beyond just building the sets, in just prepping the scrapped sets for future use. So few people were willing to spend a day in pulling staples at the end, than
build a show afterwards in the end, so much for free in cost labor but in being free for free materials, it burned all of us out. What was once the studio theater’s audience area, became lumber storage and we had it all, the
stage to the studio theater became the work shop given the original work shop became just plain paint and
flat storage. Ammo cans full of dry wall screws I still have, craft paper spool with cutter left behind amongst a full theater’s worth of gear I had to make choices in taking, leaving or actively asking a few fellow theaters to just take in often not being advanced enough to need. How could anyone not want paint, much less the shelving the cans were on? Lazy!!! and that killed off our theater also in too much work and not enough time = my
point. Just couldn’t get takers when the theater closed & we sent out notices to all theaters in the Chicago area to come grab the stuff in the end for helping with our bills or free and even than limited takers. In the end, the
road cases built to transport the gear were more sought after than the gear within.
Was personally paying for the like 8x12 (floor to ceiling filled) storage locker for what gear the old theater I had saved including lights and cable which I did save than later kept or sold off elsewhere. Took me six months on the other
hand to weed
thru the gear in the
road boxes in saving and not paying rental at a time money wasn’t coming in from work. Bringing to the new theater what I could in exchange for a few antiques like a 1926 oak
stage brace etc. for
pig iron steel they needed
etc. in making safe what I was working on in making it safe given at the time a Hemp
house, or just what I could squirrel away in it not being a production company, more a
LORT type
house.
Once had a 6x2K One Scene
dimmer pack light board with a different style of
fader levers than in this discussion, (discussed this
dimmer a few years ago with photos by someone else with a simlar one) - about the size and weight of an old school cash register. Will have been possible and was a goal of mine to make it into a remote
dimmer pack - was I think analog internally at least and possible to make it into a six pack 2.4K
dimmer as a theory. On the other
hand, time is valuable and what will have been needed to make it something useful wouldn’t have been worth it even given it’s weight for the older technology dimmers. We are talking about parts/brains needed that will have added up to about as much as it will have cost to just buy a smaller economy
dimmer & already done. Once bought a NSI 8 pack 1.2Kw
dimmer for personal use when NSI was still a new company, still working in the theater I later sold it to and it was not expensive. Other brands and gear on the market that’s cost effective plus
UL listed. This cost for parts not including labor in what it will have taken to make that six pack into something useful - time better spent on building sets or working on gear that was viable. This plus years of it on my TBA project list never gotten to, heck I ten years later still have a work light over my garage currently that I use daily but have not taken apart yet since the dark days of my wiring ability, this much less at times I have to spin at times a lamp to keep it working in TBA project I like ten years later have not gotten to (mechanic’s own car type concept.) Doubt I will have even still gotten to that
dimmer pack even today and given the skilled labor to do parts of it for me for free will have been free assuming I didn’t antique it next to the below.
Unfortunately I left it in the alley when I moved out of Chicago and scaled down a
bit in stuff I had collected up. (That was years before my idea of collecting stuff for a museum - lighting gear only not dimmers or control got started.... too bad, an empty file cabinet space next to the origional light board for Cheap Treck at work, it will have been the perfect place to abandon that lost project.) Heck on it, I didn’t even have the time to fix minor things on it like indicator lamps or I think a
channel not working, even though I owned it for a few years and it will have been just personal time spent, just never had time to fix it.
On the other
hand, what to salvage??? This especially given you pay for volume or weight in scrapping the gear? Depends first on labor again - time even if free is still money or time not spent on other more important things. On the other
hand, a single 400A three
phase Marathon
block is worth like $80.00 and if you
build distro gear like I do... when the shop
thru out a bunch of old transformers and distros left over from the origional Cooper Tools / Turner Gas Works complex we occupy, I let it be known to the building manager that in the future any electrical gear needs to come see me before it’s disposed of in citing that price alone in stuff I have to buy for projects. Again,
build much three
phase 400A
distro gear in this even if valuable in part amongst many including indicator lights
etc... got the space to store the raw parts some times for years? Got 18" bin space to store for years without use the multitudes of no doubt QOU type Square D
circuit breakers in still no doubt being perfectly good for future use? Yep, these and other models of
circuit breakers are still in use, but do you need them, or have the space to store them in potential future use? Given like $10.00 or $20.00 per
circuit breaker, perhaps, but on the other
hand salvaging gear depends on future use of them as opposed to just pack ratting them away. This plus at some
point like me, I forget what I did so and find out a week or two later, gee I didn’t need to buy that part. Even this past week given racks full of raw materials, could sware I had lots of four pin
Cinch Jones plugs and panel mounts in me buying more... just can’t find them hidden behind the ladder hanging off the rack. There they are, this in floor to ceiling stuff in storage.
Me, yep, I would have a great time in salvaging the materials from these racks, but on the other
hand I would use the materials from them on future projects. What can you salvage, given they are not much useful for
portable? Doubt much in having to ask/sorry in a no offense type of way. Standardized parts is standardized parts, once the brains and dimmers are out of the question, the raw parts that make them up one just balances with the price in removing verses what it costs for new and that’s a definate balance to do.
Got some great guys in my department and they excell in taking stuff apart as long at they don't have to at times put it back together so for me it's cost effective. Last week my guys had a lot of fun in prepping a bunch of computer gear for recycling. “Beevis” (in having both of them in my department plus Stewert from the same show and “the old man from “Family Guy” as a joke more than realistic - “Grandpa Grey Squirrel” is his nick name otherwise, in me being the Beevis/Butthead guys with me more or less as their teacher in attempting to at times “now boys” get the ADD guys focused on their projects or Stewert and Grandpa Grey Squerrel working a
bit harder to get stuff done.)
Beevis and Butthead were constantly asking “Stewert” questions like, it says Pentium II chip, is it useful? Stewert sying and answering, “no Beevis not useful.” On the other
hand, Butthead did find some useful computer components to take home which saved us money in paying per pound to recycle. Old Grey Squirrel being a former scrap yard owner was really useful in separating out stuff but on the other
hand as in general, he is hourly and takes his time in doing a good job at often a slightly slower than necessary pace which drives me crazy in amount of literally magnifying glass detail of his work. Constantly entertaining my department for me my workers, Beevis’ taking a huge crow bar to a printer (which was emotionally reliecing for him and removed extra parts quickly - the goal), us removing
base plates to
flat screen monitors so as to conserve space and weight in paying to recycle, Stewert’ spending all day and me taking away from him part of his stack of stuff to “carefully remove” in paying to do the good thing in recycling verses just getting it out of the thing... Fun day in also keeping Beevis and Butthead plus the other two focused on their project and a concept that we would tend to want to get this over with and onto other things ASAP. This all granted I also got distracted at some
point with magnets and lasors on disc drives and seperated out a small stack of what I might find useful verses as opposed to the weighty component we would be paying for if in theory that ruby on a
circuit board we were paying for by the pound in lessening the weight, I might separate.... yea got a
bit crazy in the details of my one day of fun in scrapping computers in saving only what was needed to recycle verses even saving magnets myself. The boys had fun with me also and we acquired a few bins full of small parts we never seem to have but otherwise asked for “got this say #3 screw” for other people’s needs and I did in the end even if misc. parts separate out
machine screw from other type.
Overall concepts. Recently got a box of
track lights from the building manager he was about to
throw out in being useless to him. Good thing in learning. At times the guys need “free time” in doing a project but having fun with it as long as recess is under general guidelines for time limit in balancing labor verses
return saved parts worth. Than it’s storage space, about to re-arrange my own space again in acquiring more for like the fourth time since I moved into it, that’s also labor but given a fourth guy needed. For me in building gear, yea, I would scrap the dimmers for all parts able to get out of them = how can I run out of 8-32x1" pan head screws in checking my over
stock today, I’m about that anial in storing stuff, this in also using it.
For others, might scrap what I could in parts or for more valuable scrap in being if nothing else scrapped separately per pount - this especially if organized enough or room to store parts like screws per each size and type in bins, or
circuit breakers to raw steel plate in a useful way. If not, it’s gonna be a legacy thing for you and unfortunately not worth saving. Don’t find the time to sort screws by type and length, you won’t when you need them otherwise so don’t bother.
On the other
hand after years of sorting screws - never
throw out nutting, I can look at just about any screw and not only tell if metric or standard, but also it’s size and threading plus other details. Much helped initially by sorting by length screws, than needing to buy them by way of type later, but still if time, good education in visually being able to recognize a 6-32x7/8" from a 8-32x3/4". This much less drywall screws in sorting. Parts is parts, side plate to what ever =
gauge of steel an it’s size in cutting as needed for the next project. For me at least.