#### kerriann85

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I'm hoping for some ideas on pay rates around the country. I'm sure it varies by location, and school situations probably don't apply. So...

Here I am in a new Peforming arts center w/o a paid TD. Everyone's paid by the hour.

1. How much should (or "would" in your own theatre) the person who gets handed a tech rider for a touring company doing a one day gig of, let's say, The Golden Dragon Acrobats, get paid to be in charge of talking to their tech director, run the prehang, find crew, be there for the day of the gig etc.

2. How much would you pay someone to come help load in, then stay for opening/closing the main rag, and maybe one other fly cue of some kind?

3. How bout spot operators? Does it matter if they have ever or never done it before?

4. Would anyone ever get paid one amount to unload a truck, then a different amount when time came to run a follow spot, then different to load up the truck again?

Feel free to add any other scenarios to the situation as needed and how it's done in your theatre.

Thanks!

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#### kerriann85

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#### Footer

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Most places pay a flat rate for overhire crew, no matter what they are doing. Crew heads get paid a bit more (sometimes based on a percentage). First question before we go to in depth into this, what is the skill level of the people you have working? Many colleges and high schools that bring in touring shows double the amount of crew requested in the rider due to skill levels.

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#### Van

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Well for once I sort of disagree with footer. A lot of places I have worked and have managed at, have seperate rates for different jobs and situations.
When working at Nike I used to get 20/hr for hang/focus and 25 for board op'ing.
I believe the going rate at Local 28 for general labor/stagehand is 15 but truck loaders make 21/hr.
At my theatre I pay labor over a very wide scale, basic grunt labor for strikes and installs is 10/hr, but that varies with amount of expirience. Shop help and electricians generaly make somewhere in the area of 12-15/hr again depending on expirience and skill level. Our board ops and sound ops get a flat rate, which I don't know because the PM hires and contracts them. we also pay some people on whatever scale they desire when we bring them in as independent contractors.
Now, there is another sticky wicket, The compensation of individuals as an independent contractor can open a can of worms for you and your venue. There are something like 13 questions that can be used to identify an independent contractor.
#1. do you set your own hours.?
#2. do you supply your own tools?

Now, usually by the time you get those two questions asked you've already identified the fact that you're not. This might not seem like a big deal at first, but several years ago several theatre in Oregon Got into a lot of trouble with the IRS over their use of the "independent contractor" clause. They were paying all their technicians, running crew, load in and load out, etc etc, as I.C.'s Be sure to consult with a lawyer or tax advisor before setting any payment plan up.

#### Footer

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Well for once I sort of disagree with footer. A lot of places I have worked and have managed at, have seperate rates for different jobs and situations.
When working at Nike I used to get 20/hr for hang/focus and 25 for board op'ing.
I believe the going rate at Local 28 for general labor/stagehand is 15 but truck loaders make 21/hr.
At my theatre I pay labor over a very wide scale, basic grunt labor for strikes and installs is 10/hr, but that varies with amount of expirience. Shop help and electricians generaly make somewhere in the area of 12-15/hr again depending on expirience and skill level. Our board ops and sound ops get a flat rate, which I don't know because the PM hires and contracts them. we also pay some people on whatever scale they desire when we bring them in as independent contractors.
Now, there is another sticky wicket, The compensation of individuals as an independent contractor can open a can of worms for you and your venue. There are something like 13 questions that can be used to identify an independent contractor.
#1. do you set your own hours.?
#2. do you supply your own tools?
Now, usually by the time you get those two questions asked you've already identified the fact that you're not. This might not seem like a big deal at first, but several years ago several theatre in Oregon Got into a lot of trouble with the IRS over their use of the "independent contractor" clause. They were paying all their technicians, running crew, load in and load out, etc etc, as I.C.'s Be sure to consult with a lawyer or tax advisor before setting any payment plan up.

Very true, I was replying to this as a college type situation. Yes, in the realish world people do get paid different based on what they are doing and how long they have been doing it. As far as changing pay rates during a call goes, it happens sometimes. What it really all depends on is experience level.

#### soundlight

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The thing about campus work - high school or college - is that folks like me will work for a buck or two over the minimum no problem if we really like tech. Sure, we should be paid more, but we understand that the high school doesn't have more. (I don't know why Bucknell doesn't have more, though, I'm forkin' over way too much money to them every semester, and it's jumping another thousand or more next year!!!!!)