OK folks - I've looked around the forum at the different PC lighting software threads, and I've decided that this needs a new forum. What programs are out there that do have playback/programming wings or can use something like the Behringer BCF2000 for submaster control. Here's what I've found so far: Horizon has a 24-submaster wing. Rather expensive. Chamsys lighting has a wing as well, but their software is free. They also sell wings with DMX output and programming keys on them, but those are rather expensive. I've heard that the Behringer BCF2000 can be used as a submaster/playback fader wing for some programs, but I don't know what these are. High End has playback and programming wings for HogPC software, but the whole programming/playback/multi-universe output system is approaching the cost of a used Hog console. So - I'm looking for PC based lighting control programs that can use playback/submaster/programming wings. Maybe I have mentioned all of them?