There you go! that makes sense now. Thanks for pointing that out! i was never really thinking about that too! looks like x32's best for our situation. Can you give me a link where can i get this deal? i was searching lately like sweetwater, etc. and those items are usually sold separately. @abomb123 i'll rather take time to learn and train whoever is interested about mixing in my church than settling down. And yes, i need those motorize faders to save scenes, since a lot of people from my church just tweaks the mixer not knowing what they're doing and that pisses me off whenever the sound on set starts to change. Thanks for pointing that out too!