# Really low end console

#### Lextech

Okay I am completely out of my comfort zone here. I am trying to help a small camp out with specing a small lighting rig and am having a hard time finding a basic console that has the ability to program cues. Does anyone know of a sub $1000 board that will do the following things: Program cues Run LED fixtures Hardware based, no iOS or computer products Be simple enough for HS kids to run Thanks in advance, John #### cbrandt ##### Well-Known Member You might try and find an old Leprechon 612/624, or an ETC Express. Not sure if you can get those used at an affordable price. Most of the sub$1000 control out there is aimed at DJs, and most of them don't care about a cue stack. You'll see a lot of chase and flash, but nothing as controlled as you'd like.

Could you define small? If you can get away with using some sort of two scene preset, or work with your scenes on sliders, the Elation Scene Setter 24, or the Scene Setter 48. The problem with these is that they don't give you a cue list. They only give you access to scenes programmed one to a fader. They also don't have specific control over LEDs, so you would just have to have them manually controlled via faders. They aren't a perfect situation, but they are pretty cheap.

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#### RileyChilds

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I am a big fan of the ETC Expression 3.

https://www.usedlighting.com/22823/etc-expression-3

#### robmerow

##### Active Member
Lextech,
How many/what type of LED's are you looking to run? How many conventionals?

#### Robert

##### Well-Known Member
I'm getting the Jands Stage CL for an LED rig. They do profess to run conventionals too. Price is around \$1500. Some software revisions have given it up to 24 fader channels. Check it out and see what you think.

http://jands.com/stage-cl/

#### Lextech

##### Well-Known Member
Lextech,
How many/what type of LED's are you looking to run? How many conventionals?
No conventionals, a dozen, simple LED units, no movers. Blizzard or similar fixtures are what I am looking at.

And Blackfaer, I'm not worried about me running it, if I have a manual, I can run anything. I just need something that high school kids can figure out. And they won't read a manual. My problem is I have not done small system design in twenty plus years. Since we have people here who don't have the big toys I thought I might find a lead, my local sources are very limited.

I'll check out the jands and see if I can make it work.

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#### robmerow

##### Active Member
with 12 units (assuming 6 channels each?) then yes the Jands seems like the only option presented so far that will physically be able to control. If you were to group some or run in 3 channel mode, then Scene Setter 48 would technically be able to control them but not as easily as the Jands.

I've used the Jands CL with LED's and the HVS algorithm it uses really only operates with RGB. So if you are going for ease of use I'd put any LED into RGB or RGBI mode if using the Jands.

#### James Feenstra

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If you have any questions about operating the StageCL, feel free to ask!

The 1.3 software gives you 24 fixtures of control, and an additional two functions on top of color and intensity (ie. zoom and strobe)