# Recommendations for intelligent lighting.

#### jklak

As far as the other toys like I-cues, gobo rotators, etc. goes, I got another grant for $18,000 to buy some more source fours, some I-cues, color scrollers, gobo rotators, and image pros. I'm pretty geeked about it. What about the ETC Revolutions? They seem like I can get a lot of bang for my buck with them. I was also wondering about mounting these big instruments. Is a pipe okay or do they need to be attached to a truss (something I don't have)? #### JSFox ##### Active Member I'd recommend 2 - 4 VL1000TSD's. I use these in a high school theatre and they are very effective. Critical features for theatre are tungsten lamp and framing shutters (similar to a ERS, but programable) which are different than 'shutters' on a moving light which are really a dowser. They do a great job of repetitively hitting their marks. They run about$4500/ea.

If your grant limits you to moving instruments then you could also consider some wash instruments such as StudioCommands or VL5's. If it's a general grant then maybe consider 3 VL1000's (2 front & 1 back can cover a number of specials) and some other color changing capability such as scrollers, LED's, Colorcommands, etc. Note that the colorcommands and studiocommands are not a very wide beam (my biggest gripe with them) compared to a fresnel. I'm also a big fan of SeaChangers though they are expensive. Nexera wash instruments are good, but the Nexera spot is kinda like a bad leko (think colortran) that can never focus to a sharp edge and gets halo's along edges.

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#### Pie4Weebl

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don't get revolutions. VL1000TSD fixtures have cmy mixing, more gobos better zoom and built in varibale frost for the same price as a loaded revolution.

Also hanging them on pipe is fine as long as you know the load it can handle and don't excede it. (lights are around 75-100lbs each)

#### gafftaper

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I'm with the Vari-lite VL1000TSD's. I haven't used them but I've been researching similar products and everyone seems to agree they are better than Revolutions. They are a nice mix of a cool moving head for teaching those skills but a product that is very practical for theater purposes.

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This past week I was looking at some check lists for our up coming season and saw a note about the purchase of some S4 Revolutions units. So I download the "User Manual" from the ETC site. After reading thru the manual, I sure hope they don't buy them. Looks like a poor mans moving light fixture. Trying to do to many diffrent things and I bet none of them as well as a Vari-Lite. My vote would be for VL1000 Arc units. Being a factory trained Vari-lite repair tech, I'm sure makes me a little prejudice. But 25 years of experence designing and building moving lights has got to count for something.

#### DarSax

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Hate to break it to you, but this thread is over a year old. Chances are, the purchase has long since been made.

Also, though hate to break it to you, but the VL1000 vs. Source Four Revolution has been thoroughly explored in many other threads, both in terms of on-paper features, and actual real-world experience.

Again, sorry

#### Bernie

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We just purchased 3 Elation Design Spot 250 Hybrids. I like them much better that Martin 250's Easy to set up and program. Nice price did not hurt either.

Bernie
Parkland College

#### Pie4Weebl

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We just purchased 3 Elation Design Spot 250 Hybrids. I like them much better that Martin 250's Easy to set up and program. Nice price did not hurt either.
Bernie
Parkland College
In what ways did you find them to be better out of curiosity?

#### stantonsound

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Well, they are cheaper.....um.....are cheaper.......come with a free fortune cookie..........oh ya, are cheaper........are great with egg rolls............and......did I mention that they are cheaper. Other than that, nothing!

(I am not big on cheap imports, if you couldn't tell)

#### TupeloTechie

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how did you get the grant? is there any website my school could look at, because we don't even get a lighting budget.... which is really bad because when a lamp blows I'm down an instrument for 5-7 months... and gel... If it weren't for previous schools and summer training I would have no clue what they are, the director of the PAC doesn't know anything about lighting (or sound) and thinks that gel is a waste of taxpayers money.

#### Pie4Weebl

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cheaper is cool, I was wondering more how the output compared.