selling liquid nitrogen under the age of 16

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I am planning to make and sell liquid nitrogen but I am under the age of 16 I am wondering if that is ok
Before we get into the how... Why do you want to do this?
 
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I want to do it as a business plan for life
and it's not a gas idiot
The gas line was a pun. As far as a business plan goes, help us out here. What made you think of doing this? Have you figured out how much it's gonna cost to set it up, and if there's even a good return on investment? (i.e. you are gonna make more money than you spend?)

And lastly, why are you asking a theatrical forum for this sort of advice? We use LN for special effects, but as far as I know, no-one makes it in-house. I'm not trying to beat up on you, I'm just curious. It's not an everyday sorta conversation topic! :)
 

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well a week ago we went to an ice cream shop were they used liquid nitrogen to make ice cream so I thot I would do the same but they containers of liquid nitrogen are like 1000x the price of liquid nitrogen its about 12cent liter so I thot of making it my self to rig one up is a little under $2000 then I had the idea to make and sell the liquid nitrogen and planned to refill containers of dewar cuz they're just so expensive to mase make
 

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While this is a nice idea, the reason it’s so expensive is the safety factors, the purity and equipment used to convert it.

Honestly this isn’t something you can do out of your garage and stay in business long because of explosions or a neighbor thinking you are cooking meth.

While your idea is an awesome one I don’t think it’s a viable one. As far as selling it to a 14yr old the only way around the age is getting an LLC and having it sold to a company. If I were a Gas salesman I definitely wouldn’t sell to you on a moral/ethical stand point.
 

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well a week ago we went to an ice cream shop were they used liquid nitrogen to make ice cream so I thot I would do the same but they containers of liquid nitrogen are like 1000x the price of liquid nitrogen its about 12cent liter so I thot of making it my self to rig one up is a little under $2000 then I had the idea to make and sell the liquid nitrogen and planned to refill containers of dewar cuz they're just so expensive to mase make
But why did you ask here, on ControlBooth? We deal with LN solely in relation to special F/X, not food grade LN. Also, how do you plan on moving LN from your site to a customer? There are regulations on how LN can be transported safely and even more rules when you start transporting commercially)
 

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The gas line was a pun. As far as a business plan goes, help us out here. What made you think of doing this? Have you figured out how much it's gonna cost to set it up, and if there's even a good return on investment? (i.e. you are gonna make more money than you spend?)

And lastly, why are you asking a theatrical forum for this sort of advice? We use LN for special effects, but as far as I know, no-one makes it in-house. I'm not trying to beat up on you, I'm just curious. It's not an everyday sorta conversation topic! :)
@dvsDave @Van @TimMc and @varietyler At the Stratford Shakespearean Festival we used a fair amount of liquid nitrogen (supplied and stored in Dewar flasks) for low lying fog effects. We got our best pricing by purchasing our own Dewar flasks and having them filled by a national supplier whose main customers in our area were hog farmers who used liquid nitrogen for storing hog semen for breeding purposes. There were several hog farmers in the Stratford area and we had our main theatre added as a regular stop on their delivery route if any of our theatre's were running performances using liquid nitrogen during a given season. The supplier only had to stop at our main theatre, we shuffled Dewar flasks between our then three venues via our own trucks. Occasionally a local farmer would run low between scheduled deliveries and would ring us up to see if we could loan them a flask. Several times we were rewarded with copious amounts of freshly butchered pork for our kindnesses in times of need. Everyone's sinuses were relieved when a bypass route for trucks was built around Stratford. Hog transports rolling through town were less then attractive for tourists waiting to get into diners and pubs; especially if they were stopped for a stop light right in front of your favorite eatery at lunch time.
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While this is a nice idea, the reason it’s so expensive is the safety factors, the purity and equipment used to convert it.

Honestly this isn’t something you can do out of your garage and stay in business long because of explosions or a neighbor thinking you are cooking meth.

While your idea is an awesome one I don’t think it’s a viable one. As far as selling it to a 14yr old the only way around the age is getting an LLC and having it sold to a company. If I were a Gas salesman I definitely wouldn’t sell to you on a moral/ethical stand point.
@Amiers Our OP's not interested in selling his proposed product to fourteen year olds, he himself is a fourteen year old interested in manufacturing and selling liquid nitrogen for fun and profit to customers, hopefully customers in his area as shipping Dewar flasks is going to get pricey.
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@Amiers Our OP's not interested in selling his proposed product to fourteen year olds, he himself is a fourteen year old interested in manufacturing and selling liquid nitrogen for fun and profit to customers, hopefully customers in his area as shipping Dewar flasks is going to get pricey.
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I got that. I’m saying if I was the salesman selling him gear to make this stuff I would say no.
 
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While it's not always easy to see, there's a big difference between a good business idea and a plain dumb idea. This sounds like it falls solidly in the latter. Stay in school, you'll have a better chance of succeeding there.
 
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lol my plan is to stick ice cream on cones tell i can get liquid nitrogen to make ice cream tell i have the money to get to making liquid nitrogen