Tech Riders(grumble grumble..mutiny mutiny)

Chris Chapman

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May 25, 2006
Location
Greenville, Michigan, United States
Our tour season is in swing with concerts and tours starting to hit, simple question of the day....

Has anyone seen a Tech Rider that actually matches or is accurate to what the tour actually has? In 9 years of doing this I have only had 3 riders that were even CLOSE to being accurate.

Just venting a little here but I am SO tired of light plots and setup diagrams, and backline lists that simp0ly do not match the tour.

Makes load in and setups a pain in the...

-Chris
 

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Location
Saratoga Springs, NY
Our tour season is in swing with concerts and tours starting to hit, simple question of the day....
Has anyone seen a Tech Rider that actually matches or is accurate to what the tour actually has? In 9 years of doing this I have only had 3 riders that were even CLOSE to being accurate.
Just venting a little here but I am SO tired of light plots and setup diagrams, and backline lists that simp0ly do not match the tour.
Makes load in and setups a pain in the...
-Chris
Most theatre shows that come in are usually correctish, but they have to fit alot tighter and the decisions on looks have allready been made and burried in concrete. What I have found is when the riders are put together and sent out to the venues is usually way to early to write everything in stone. So when they get to actually hitting the road the show as changed so much that the rider is completly out of wack. Then there are the rider "groundplans" that I really can't stand. I always love when the engineer jumps off the bus and walks in and goes wtf is all this stuff, (that we just spent 6 hours loading in). Even better, alot of shows that come in don't carry their own PA, so we hire it out and their engineer runs it, and we end up having to rent about twice the gear that is needed because the rider is too out of date....
 

Peter

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Joined
Oct 2, 2004
Location
MA, USA
I did a big concert today... the band showed up short a member (who apparently has not been part of the goup for a few months now) and with 2 fewer vocal inputs then needed, and they proceeded to want to rearange where they wanted to be on the stage after I had made up this nice plot based of the diagram in their rider!
 

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audioslavematt

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Mar 30, 2006
Location
West Lafayette, IN
Riders are never right. It's almost a cardinal rule of the industry. I've only saw one light plot that needed updating. Input lists are right on occasions. My favorites are the riders that spec 52-channel desks, when only about 30 are going to be used.
 

BillESC

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Aug 29, 2005
Location
Kilmarnock, VA
Ryders are usually "best case" documents and are based on the largest anticipated venue the act will play.

It is always prudent to have a phone conversation with the Technical Director for the show prior to their arrival. Face it, the act is on the road and they would really like to have as easy a day as possible. TD's can be flexible if you can be flexible.
 

RiffRaff54

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Joined
Jun 3, 2005
Location
North-east Ohio
I hate riders. especially the food they want, ever look at that? they dont eat/drink half of it.
the stage plot is always wrong, always.
and i love in the lighting section when they say 3 washes, what color washes do you want?
like i said, i hate riders