# What's in your mic locker?

## How many mics do you have? (Lavs count too!)

• ### 21-25

• Total voters
50

John

#### Mayhem

##### Senior Team Emeritus
blsmn said:
I'm not sure just why there are an abundance of SM58's - they are fairly useless for any kind of theatrical performance other than for a backstage announcement mic.
You can box them up and ship them to me if you like. Maybe I will call for an SM58 Amnesty!! As DMXtools has commented, for live bands, they are a very good general purpose mic.

I tend to hire in mics for any larger live gigs that I do, as most of my work is as a mobile DJ and it is not cost effective for me to have a large number of mics for a handful of shows.

I have:
2x SM58's
3x SM57’s.
3x EV A/N680's (low cost equivalent of an SM48 and decent enough for backing vocals and some instruments)
1x AKG WMS40 wireless mic for DJ work/speeches etc
1x no name crap mic that just gets thrown into the kick drum to serve as an audio trigger for a bar of 6x Par 38’s running off a sound to light controller

#### The_Guest

##### Senior Team Emeritus
Nothing wrong with SM58s, their just bad for theater. But my 4 SM58s is a reasonable amount, I wish I could replace them with beta58s. My theatrical organization does concert style work as well. So they get used, but we tend to use our sony wireless and beta58s more often. They have more ideal pattern for my facility. We're really heavy on rentals, so we have a need for vocal dynamic mics too. But as far as theater you'll only really need two dynamics, and a Shure 55SH-II Classic. Those mics simply kick ass, I was prepared to build one for one play luckily the TD bought one because he took a peak at my notes . It looked so professional in guys and dolls and when we need that vintage mood for singers.

#### DMXtools

##### Active Member
Actually, the biggest difference between a Beta-58 and an SM58 is the magnet - neodymium versus alnico. While this gives the Beta-58 a little higher output, meaning you need less gain at the board, the frequency response and pickup pattern are practically identical. I can't see paying the higher price for the privelege of setting my input gain control at 10:00 instead of 12:00.

By the way, when Shure reintroduced the 55S as the SH-II Classic, they took the die-cast 55S housing and put a plain SM58 capsule into it. It's a stand-mounted 58 as opposed to a handheld 58... and a bit of an improvement, sonically, over the original unidyne design of the 55S.

John

#### The_Guest

##### Senior Team Emeritus
Really? I read the manual of both and it always says to place monitoring directly behind an SM58, and at 30 or 45 degrees or something similar for the beta. Whenever I use te beta I of course set them up the manual says and I get great results. I do the same for sm58 except place it behind, while I still great results its a notch below from what I normally get with the beta. Should I experiment with placing the monitors like I do with beta for the 58? Thanks a lot DMX.

#### DMXtools

##### Active Member
I don't know how long it's been since the 58 manual was revised - probably decades. I believe in the older manual they said "behind" simply to indicate "not in front of." The newer manual for the Beta is a little more specific as to where "behind" would give the best results. Both mics have a lobe at the rear that shows up at certain frequencies and by moving the monitors out 30-45 degrees from dead center you can avoid it.

John

#### The_Guest

##### Senior Team Emeritus
I have not been into sound for a while so I don't know what mics were like even in the earlier 90s, I was born in 89'. Nowadays shure ships many of their stage microphones with these little little arrows. They take shape to the grill of the microphone and they point to where you should line up the wedge for optimal GBF. But overall they do the trick just fine.

#### Mayhem

##### Senior Team Emeritus
I thought that Beta’s were supercardoid and SM’s were cardoid? This would explain the difference in the manuals. I was going to have a look at the Shure website (they have some very good articles in their knowledge base) but I couldn’t connect. I will have a look later. In the mean time, I will post and hope!!

From my understanding you want to place your wedges in the mics blind spot (or deaf spot as it were). Most mics will give you diagrammatic information as to the fields around the mic that are responsive.

Essentially with supercardoid mics (such as the Beta58, you will see what looks like a figure 8, only the top circle will be much larger than the bottom circle. The larger circle shows where the mic is most sensitive (front and sides). The smaller circle indicates where sound behind the mic will be picked up.

Where the two intersect, this is the point at which the mic is less sensitive (it’s blind spot). As such, this is the best place to point your wedges.

With cardoid mics (such as the SM58), you do not have the smaller circle as they are designed only to pic up sound in front (and to the side) of the mic. Here you can either put the wedge directly behind the mic or out to the sides, as long as you keep them pointing away from the sensitive area.

In some of the pictures, the circles may not be perfectly round but will taper in more sharply depending on the particular mic. However, as a general rule, think of the responsive areas as circles.

Hope this is of some use (and correct :?)

#### The_Guest

##### Senior Team Emeritus
Yeah the patterns are different and I have always experienced better GBF performance with the beta than the 58. I knew they had different pickup patterns and you can even see a difference just by looking at the mics. Thanks DMX and mayhem.

#### soundman

##### Well-Known Member
Ten wireless with 15 differnt mics 5 headset style but with a very fine wire and mic head that can not be seen from the house and the rest are the standerd throught the hair kind, then two wireless handhelds operating on the smae frequence as two of the belt packs. 4 boundery mics made by AKA I think, 3 or 4 c1000s and enough wired handhelds that I havent needed to count them. All mics are kept in a file cabnet that is locked in the TDs office.

#### JasonH

##### Active Member
6 sm-58's
5 behringer 58 ripoffs
2 EV NRU handheld wireless
1 EV NRU lav
and a 4 piece superlux drum mic kit.