# (yet another) question about intelligent lighting

#### gabe

##### Member
So my high school just recieved a generous donation and, amoung other things, two Chauvet Insignias. Now my main board is an old analog system but we have a leprecon 612 and two dimmer packs. How would I go about connecting the two, I see that there are three pin dmx connectors on the lights? And also, if I were to get another board to control just these lights, would I need another dimmer pack or could I use my existing ones and just use the new board for the dmx control?

Thanks,

#### BillESC

##### Well-Known Member
Gabe,

First, the Insignias really dont' want or need dimmers, they'll be happier with straight AC. If your board uses 5 pin connectors you can get an 5 to 3 pin adapter and simply jump the Insignias into the signal chain.

#### gabe

##### Member
Thanks Bill, also for the 3-pin dmx can I use plain old XLR?

#### Footer

##### Senior Team
Senior Team
the 612 is not a dmx board... it will not control those movers... i would sudgest if you want a really inexspensive method of control, though not all that functional... go with an enntec DMX adapter... there are a few threads on this on this forum....

#### soundlight

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But the 3-pin signal isn't dmx. I looked on the Leprecon website, and it says that the 3-pin is multiplex, and you only have DMX on the board if it is a 5-pin connector. Go for one of the really low-cost AMDJ mover boards. Hey, it ain't perfect, but it'll work.

#### BillESC

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Gabe,

It really depends on how much:

1. Memory storage you need.
2. How much you want to spend.
3. How many features you must have.

-dan

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disc2slick said:
Something to keep in mind is that the Chauvet Insgnia is a 5 channel fixture, so if you're running two of them that will immediately eat up 10 of your channels, which is a lot if you're running a 12 channel board, perhaps just another reason to look at getting a new board. On e-bay i saw a leprecon 612 with a buy-now price of bout $850, but i'm assuming thats brand new. either way I bet you could pick up a couple hundred bucks for it if you sell to the right people. -dan but then the dimmers may be useless without a converter.... #### gabe ##### Member We use 5 pin dmx dimmers we could keep those #### Foxinabox10 ##### Active Member disc2slick said: Something to keep in mind is that the Chauvet Insgnia is a 5 channel fixture, so if you're running two of them that will immediately eat up 10 of your channels, which is a lot if you're running a 12 channel board, perhaps just another reason to look at getting a new board. On e-bay i saw a leprecon 612 with a buy-now price of bout$850, but i'm assuming thats brand new. either way I bet you could pick up a couple hundred bucks for it if you sell to the right people.

-dan

This is only true if you want completely seperate control for each unit. You could save channels if you're okay with them being on the same color, gobo, etc.

#### gabe

##### Member
Thats still 5/12 channels though.

#### disc2slick

##### Active Member
While, I guess you could address both fixtures to use the same channels that wouldn't really work out, since they will have to have different pans and tilts, since they will be in different positions.

-dan

#### Mayhem

##### Senior Team Emeritus
disc2slick said:
While, I guess you could address both fixtures to use the same channels that wouldn't really work out, since they will have to have different pans and tilts, since they will be in different positions.

-dan

The trick is to address each light differently (i.e., unit 1, unit 2) but then soft patch the colour/gobo/shutter for each light on to one channel for each, rather than individual ones. E.g.,

Ch1 – Gobo 1 & 2
Ch2 – Colour 1 & 2
Ch3 – Shutter 1 & 2
Ch4 – Pan 1
Ch5 – Pan 2
Ch6 – Tilt 1
Ch7 – Tilt 2

You might even choose to place tilt on the same channel and only control the pan individually. E.g.,

Ch1 – Gobo 1 & 2
Ch2 – Colour 1 & 2
Ch3 – Shutter 1 & 2
Ch4 – Tilt 1 & 2
Ch5 – Pan 1
Ch6 – Pan 2

Whilst it limits your use of colour / pattern variations between each unit or chasing between them (probably less important with only two units). It does free up some channels. Ok – you only save 3 or 4 in this instance but if you had several of these, this might be the only way to control them on a small desk.

If doing this in addition to using dimmers, my preference is to place your dimmers first as they will generally be patched 1:1 and in reality, you can patch at the dimmer anyhow. Then patch your intelligent lights in.

The reason I do this is it is a pain in the but to add your dimmers in afterwards as they expect to see Ch 1-12 or 13-24 etc and hitting them with Ch8 as the first channel on the dimmer means more soft patching in the board. In my opinion, the less soft patching you have to do the easier it is. Soft patching is often the main cause of boards and dimmers not reacting properly because it is easy to forget what you did between shows.

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