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Discussion in 'Safety' started by bobgaggle, Oct 17, 2018.

  1. bobgaggle

    bobgaggle Well-Known Member

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    I asked a union 'rigger' working an install to make a cable for me. This was the result.

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  2. Amiers

    Amiers Lighting Phoenix 1 Lamp at a Time

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    He looks strong....
     
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    Van CBMod CB Mods Premium Member

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    Ummm...no.
     
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    Clancy use tp have a scrap book of those photos on line. Looks like the JR Wenger fols did away with that.
     
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    @Amiers Smell isn't everything.
    Toodleoo!
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    Wow. Not only did he do 2 sleeves which is unnecessary, but he did both wrong. He used the space between sizes in a multi jawed tool to “crimp” the fitting. Oye!
     
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    This is definitely going up on the frig in the break-room.
     
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    It would be interesting to see this pull tested.
     
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    josh88 Remarkably Tired. Premium Member Fight Leukemia

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    Clancy still does it each week on their facebook page.
     
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    @bobgaggle if you want to send that to me, I’ll put it on my distractive bench and destroy it and post the video of what happens.
     
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    Ive seen that a bunch of times, usually with aluminum sleeves.
     
  12. What Rigger?

    What Rigger? I'm so fly....I Neverland.

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    I've seen this before. In China.
     
  13. What Rigger?

    What Rigger? I'm so fly....I Neverland.

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    Which means this isn't the first time this "rigger" has hung something over someone's head unsafely.

    What was this particular one to be used for, Bob?
     
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    Still exists JR Clancy's Scary Rigging Photo of the Week.

    This is definitely a candidate, much better than the one I added to their collection...
     
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    At least he used a thimble instead of having just a loop of cable!
     
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    For the folks among us who have never made one of these, and would never attempt it given our current knowledge base

    Can someone explain what’s wrong?

    Thanks
     
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    I told him to use a thimble before I walked away...
    This was going to dead hang a custom track/truss for some tracking hard flats... Not even a static load. smh
     
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    My god did they use their teeth?
     
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    StradivariusBone Well-Known Member Fight Leukemia

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    I'm by no means an expert, but nicopress has a lot of documentation on how to install these. The first thing I noticed was that there are two sleeves. For eye splices you should only ever need one. The other part (and I didn't actually notice this until someone commented on it looked like they used their teeth to crimp it) is that the sleeve does not appear to have been crimped correctly by a nicopress tool. It should look like it was squeezed on the outside all around it, but this one looks like he used some type of punch? I honestly have no idea what he did. Here's a decent video on installing these. 2 or 3 crimps is based on the product being used and the literature for these indicate how many crimps you need.



    Here's a good white paper on using these things in theatre- http://www.jrclancy.com/downloads/Nicopress1.pdf
     
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    To me it appears as whomever made this put the center-line of the Nico sleeve in between two of the openings of the Nico press tool. Each opening is is for a separate size of sleeve; you don't crimp with the teeth.
    For 1/4" cable three crimps per sleeve are required.
    They should be crimped in sequence: top, middle bottom, or bottom , middle, top.
    Only one sleeve is required but two MAY be used if there is any question about the first.
    The tail sticking out the top of the sleeve should not be much longer than one diameter of the cable.
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    It may just be me but the thimble looks to be the wrong size.

    All that being said, I just cannot believe that unless you were installing in the middle of DumbF#*(-ville there is any way this was made by an actual Card Carrying Union Rigger. No Local is THAT stupid.
     
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