Moving Light as Follow Spot

I hear the price tag is getting cheaper. But not that cheap.

When I first started researching years ago it was 20k and a few years later it was 10k and after the people that made it got bought out it went down again. So hell it could be 5k and under.
@Jon Majors @Amiers @Lextech @cbrandt @Les et al. Arena tours, such as ZZ Top's "Antennae" were paying IA members such as myself to sit beside our carbon and / or xenon Supers and Gladiators with them arced up and ready to rock purely to keep us on hot standby if / when their then SOTA super systems were to suddenly wander off into the house during a performance. I'm confident the auto follow systems have gotten both more affordable and more reliable but I suspect they're neither economical nor 100% reliable YET.
Note: I'm not purporting my IA sisters and brothers are 100% yet either.
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Lol I’m apprently now running follow spot tonight. Let’s hope I can catch my pickup calls and hope the performer isn’t a wild one tonight.
 
I think every time we talk about autofollow the ZZtop thing gets brought up.

We should sticky/wiki autofollow Systems.
 
I think every time we talk about autofollow the ZZtop thing gets brought up.

We should sticky/wiki autofollow Systems.
@Amiers Agreed, please do. From memory the system was controlling six fixtures (two FOH plus one back light per each of the two members) Occasionally they would intentionally pull one or two of the four front lights to spot the two Top girls, (the ladies in the butt-floss bikinis as a couple of my IA kin referred to them) by design but it was not at all uncommon for any of the six wigglers to opt to wander off target totally at their own whim. The designers had absolute limits set in software to keep them within reasonable confines but the limits were pretty liberal to allow for the whims of the two leads who relished their own creative freedoms. Several times per performance we were VERY close to being called in but always, at the last second, we'd be told to relax as the errant lamp or two swung back onto its designated target of the moment. At the time this was still AMAZING bleeding edge technology considering they were pulling this off live with real time 3D triangulation on an international arena tour in 1994. The next system I recall seeing was either owned or leased 24 / 7 / 365 in one of the larger gaming rooms in the Ontario government's Windsor, Ontario casino in the town were @EdSavoie is attending university currently. I never had any involvement with the system in Windsor, I was subcontracted to a subcontractor who was contracted to upgrade the automated dancing waters system originally installed in Casino Windsor's central lobby. This was where and when I had my brief face to face chat with @Rob since my boss had elected to build and install interfaces to control variable speed water pumps along with solenoid operated water and pneumatic valves. As I explained it to my boss; think of this as DMX controlled dimmers and non-dims for water and air so why not use @Rob's proven Canadian DMX software to control essentially DMX dimmers and non-dims in a Canadian show piece installation in the central lobby of the provincial government's casino attracting US gamblers by the car load. Both @Rob and his software made a great first impression and, though we've never met since, I remain impressed by him, his products, and his corporate philosophies to this day. 'nough said.
Do please include this thread @Amiers in CB's WIKI as you deem fit.
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My school has terrible followspots so I am thinking about renting 2 Mac Auras and utilizing those as followspots in our upcoming musical. Would you or would you not try this? The idea of color mixing with the Auras seems beneficial since we can add front light to any specific area without it really seeming like a followspot. My concern is actually in the cueing. Should I be concerned that the actors won't always follow the exact same path/timing if I'm using the Aura as a followspot? Obviously rehearsing it over and over will be helpful but I want to consider every con.

Thanks for the input!

Don't. Your actors won't be in exactly the same place every show. We're currently running an automated followspot system at the moment - cast members are wearing transmitters which the spot locks onto, so fairly high-tech and a lot better than programming a moving light path and expecting the actors to do exactly the same thing every night. We still have followspot operators on the show. And there's almost never a show report without a problem with the automated spots on it; this is the second system we've tried, after the first one got cut in production week and spot ops hurriedly booked. We're talking about a national opera company here - so the budgets aren't small. Just don't do it, rent better followspots instead.
 
Don't. Your actors won't be in exactly the same place every show. We're currently running an automated followspot system at the moment - cast members are wearing transmitters which the spot locks onto, so fairly high-tech and a lot better than programming a moving light path and expecting the actors to do exactly the same thing every night. We still have followspot operators on the show. And there's almost never a show report without a problem with the automated spots on it; this is the second system we've tried, after the first one got cut in production week and spot ops hurriedly booked. We're talking about a national opera company here - so the budgets aren't small. Just don't do it, rent better followspots instead.

I've done LOTS of shows (pro, semi-pro and amateur) with moving lights or I-Cues and programmed spots... And yes there have been issues, however, I've also had it work consistently well. Would I love a tracking system? Yes, but its certainly not in the budget. I've found a big part is in how you think of programming them, taking time to get the blocking down and insisting on performers blocking being well established and running the lights with them multiple times (usually Q2Q, Tech & 2 Dress).
Of course, I've had varied success, the pros have never really been a problem. Some of the amateurs are amazing, and some just don't follow the same path. Rate isn't the worst thing ever as I usually break the path up in multiple cues when able to allow for varied pacing.
Heck, I've had it work with shows where the entire cast is kids. STILL I'd RATHER have followspots with operators most of the time when I can depending on the show (thinking musicals mostly), however usually I can't swing followspots (venue limitations, budget, fitting in a follow spot thats actually bright enough for the use, etc) so I stick to I-Cues and such.
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This is a crappy cellphone picture of one such show where instead of followspots in the balcony (would have needed ones that would have been out of budget) used my two I-cues and two Chauvet R2 spots from foh, and two R2 spots from backstage to supplement the existing lighting rig of LEDs and conventionals. The two I-cues and R2 spots at times were all programmed tracking spots (yes this is in a highschool, co-LD'd with a student who is now working in the industry, note up here in Canada we don't tend to have the spaces, and money available as many of the big schools in the US do. This is an arts-focused high school in a mid-sized city).
The Result? Actually better and more consistent than they've had some times in the past with actual follow spots (of course that's operator error).

So SOMETIMES it can work just fine.

I'd LOVE to have a high end tracking system, or PRG GroundControl in my back pocket... Reality is, I will NEVER have the budget for that.
 

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