I probably should wait to post this later as I won't be online until 2nite due to Thanksgiving festivities. But I'm frustrated with 4 vl2500 spots. I work in film & tv lighting a seldom use moving lights. But I volunteer at church doing stage lighting for 2 Christmas and 1 Easter production. The last 2 years we've had 12 movers to play with. 4 have been varilites. I'm using an expression 3 (with encoder wheels) to program. I can not lamp off the varilties from the console as I did last year. (control ch. 66 % for 3 sec then 0) otherwise I have complete control of the fixtures. Thanks so much for any help. I've learned a lot reading these threads.